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    The psychology of pain

    I was listening to Rachel Zoffness, a pain psychologist, and thought I would share some of her ideas in case others found them helpful or illuminating like I did.

    So, her big message is that pain is not merely a physical reaction to an event in the body as modern medicine has reduced it to: pain is much more complex than that. Pain stems from 3 sources and is the result of biopsychosocial influences. Bio here refers to the body, or how most people understand pain, as a feeling resulting from a discrete event within the body. Psycho meaning the mind, as in the influence our thoughts, our past experiences, and our own psychological predispositions on pain. Social being the last piece, indicating that how severely we experience pain is affected by those around us and how others react to our pain-inducing experiences.

    "Thoughts, beliefs, perceptions, emotions, past experiences, context, and input from your body all affect your experience of pain (Edwards et al, 2016). All of the time, always."

    To illustrate the point, Zoffness tells "The Tale of Two Nails"

    "Case Study 1: The Nail in the Boot

    In 1995, the British Medical Journal reported on a 29-year-old construction worker who'd suffered an accident: after jumping onto a plank, a 7-inch nail pierced his boot clear through to the other side (Fisher et al, 1995). Screaming and in terrible pain, he was carted off to the ER and had to be sedated with opioids. When the doctors removed his boot, they discovered a miracle: the nail had passed between his toes without penetrating his skin! There was zero damage to his foot: no blood, no puncture wound, not even a scratch. But make no mistake: despite the absence of injury, his pain was real. So what happened?

    Sensory receptors in the man's body reported to his brain that there’d been an accident, that a nail had penetrated his boot. His brain, perceiving potential threat to his safety and well-being, used context to determine what had occurred, collecting information from his five senses (including the visual of a nail sticking out of his shoe!), knowledge of the dangerous work environment and its risks, his co-workers’ horrified faces, and other data to make a guesstimate about what had happened and how to respond. Thoughts, beliefs, and emotions—including panic and fear—set off a cascade of biological and neurochemical processes. His brain, synthesizing the sum total of this information, decided that he was in danger, so it made pain to protect him. In this case, real pain was generated entirely as a result of factors having nothing to do with actual tissue damage—yet was as intense as if he’d been stabbed.

    Case Study 2: A Nail to the Face

    On the flip side, another construction worker (dangerous job, that!) was using a nail gun when it unexpectedly discharged, clocking him in the face (Dimsdale & Dantzer, 2007). He and his coworkers saw (what he thought) was the nail bounce off of his face. Other than a mild toothache and a bruise under his jaw, he thought he’d escaped relatively unscathed. Six days later—six days of eating, sleeping, and going to work—he went to the dentist. Much to his surprise, an X-ray revealed a 4-inch nail embedded in his head! Indeed, the nail had pierced his cerebral cortex, putting him in potentially grave danger. However, because contextual cues failed to put his brain on high-alert, his pain system remained quiet—despite actual bodily harm and need for medical intervention (#fail)."

    (These stories are quoted from an article she wrote.)

    Essentially, pain is only an estimate provided by your body by your brain. Your brain provides a certain level of pain in response to what it guesses, based on biological, social, and psychological factors, is the amount of damage that has occurred or is occurring in your body.

    There are a ton more points and discussions that this idea can highlight, but I will only name a few:

    - Chronic pain can not be treated exclusively with painkillers, and needs to be addressed at a social and psychological level as well.
    -There is a reason that folks who are lonely often report more pain and more severe pain
    -Those of us that are anxious at baseline are much more likely to suffer from chronic pain over the course of our lives
    -Placebo pills and procedures (because of the psycho aspect of pain) can cure people of chronically pain and other conditions and should not written off as medically unethical. There was a well known study done a few decades ago where folks with chronic knee problems either got FAKE knee replacement surgery (which they did not know was fake) or real knee surgery and the people who got the fake surgery often did BETTER than those who got the real surgery. These were people with serious arthritis in their knees. (https://www.painscience.com/biblio/f...arthritis.html provides a summary if you're interested).

    The original podcast for those of you who want to know more: https://soundcloud.com/zdoggmd/rachel-zoffness



    #2
    This is what I often explain to people about walking barefoot on gravel or whatever else that they say they couldn't do: that pain is just a message that something's getting damaged, and it's more about the mind than developing thicker skin.

    Placebo effect is really interesting, too..

    and I've heard of a person having surgery under hypnosis instead of general anaesthetic.

    I'd be up for attempting that if I needed surgery.

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      #3
      Rubbing a body part that is injured helps to reduce the pain by overriding the pain signals. I read that somewhere recently.

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        #4
        One of the psychological conditions I find fascinating is Phantom Limb Syndrome. This is where someone missing a limb feels sensations as if the limb was there and some people with this condition report pain in the phantom limb. From what I recall, a therapy technique that's used to alleviate phantom limb pain involved setting up a mirror-contraption that basically gives the illusion of the person having both limbs and then they go through a series of tasks and exercises.


        I always considered the first two (bio + psycho) comprising pain but I had not really thought much about the social influence.

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        • Youfreeme
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          Oh yes, my stepmother was a double amputee and complained of this often. It was so bad for her, she would be screaming in pain and she would report that specific areas of her non-existent legs hurt--like her right big toe, for example. You're right about the mirror box thing being a successful treatment, but she was never offered that for some reason. I remember telling her about it and that she wanted to follow up with her doc about it, though.

        #5
        Originally posted by Audiogen View Post


        I always considered the first two (bio + psycho) comprising pain but I had not really thought much about the social influence.
        I was referring to physical pain here, if we're including emotional pain, then yah I had thought social influence plays a big role.

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          #6
          Pain relievers such as aspirin can help to relieve pain.

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            #7
            Use anesthesia gas long enough, does not knock you out. u simply becoming tolerant to it. Your spirit disconnects and ya can see yourself from beyond. Like persons experience in surgery .. This life is but a dream ya dream over and over and over and over and over again..
            The mind is a terrible thing to waste.. Explore it.

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              Originally posted by Jessica View Post
              This is what I often explain to people about walking barefoot on gravel or whatever else that they say they couldn't do: that pain is just a message that something's getting damaged, and it's more about the mind than developing thicker skin.

              Placebo effect is really interesting, too..

              and I've heard of a person having surgery under hypnosis instead of general anaesthetic.

              I'd be up for attempting that if I needed surgery.
              I don't think I could do the hypnosis thing. I wouldn't trust it enough. I've heard of it too, though.

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                #9
                "The power of mesmerism has spread far beyond the gray monastic walls of the yogi priests, modern science has advanced their ancient art" - The shadow

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                  #10
                  I've been reading a book called In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts about trauma and addiction, and it talks about endorphins and how the body's own reward system, which regulates both emotional and physical pain, can become dysregulated in the event of childhood trauma, so people who have experienced trauma in their lives are more likely to experience chronic pain as an adult.

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                    #11
                    I'm not sure where my experience fits in with the OP.

                    Back in early spring of 2018, my caregiving for my late wife Misty was extensively breaking down my back. Picking her up and carrying her was emotionally as well as physically painful.

                    When she passed in June of 18', I was able to start fixing myself emotionally, physically and regain myself identity.

                    "After death" grief counseling started June 18'
                    Boxing started July of 18'
                    Chiropractic started August of 18'
                    Acupuncture started September of 18'
                    Ballroom dancing started October of 18'

                    Chiropractic was used bi-weekly for months and months on end.
                    Acupuncture was used bi-weekly for months and months on end.

                    I had terrible back pain that was even worse than I had in the spring of 18' leading up to Misty's death.

                    With having no hope for my back getting any better I quit Chiropractic and Acupuncture.

                    I started with my life coach in February of 19'.

                    My life coach told me in our first session together is that my depression, stress, anxiety and thoughts of suicide is fueling my mental pain and most certainly without a doubt my physical back pain as well.

                    Since my back/spine is directly plugged into the base of the brain, the brain itself can extend the pain of depression, stress, anxiety and thoughts of suicide into my spinal column. Resulting in terrible back pain.

                    I told this to my grief counselor and she completely agreed and explained that grief takes an unimaginable time to heal.

                    With many aggressive sessions of mental mastering/centering from my life coach, coupled with in tandem multiple sessions of "4 season" grief counseling....... my back pain completely disappeared in about 6 months.

                    In regards and respect of the OP, my research and my undoubted personal results, conclude to absolutely believe that mental health purity can and does cure body pain, especially with focus to the back/spinal cord juice.

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                      #12
                      People say arthritis is like a imaginary thing too, I think I saw a TV show once too where people were taking fake drugs that would alleviate pain based on the psychological component of the mind thinks its taking a pain killer so it released endorphins and such on its own.

                      I live in what the doctor lists me as a chronic agony conditions. I have a hard time believing that I'm imagining the arthritic inflammation disease in my back, because I never felt it when I was younger, but I still had it but only felt it later in life so that tells me that over time that disease has eaten away basically the lower portion of my back. My lower vertabrae are all hollow, there is no back juice left in them. My last scans showed it leaking out.

                      I've yet to feel too much from the plates nailed into my shoulder that keeps that part of my body together. I'm meant to feel arthritis from that one day.

                      I'm the type of person that aggrevates pain too, if I'm sore somewhere like a bruise ill push it, I'll twist my back when it hurts, and the psychology behind that is to tell my body, but those parts specifically, oh you want to feel pain, I'll give you pain!

                      There's one very specific detail I didn't read in the accounts of the OP which was the symptoms of shock. When I hurt myself and shock sets in, I don't feel pain. Shock can linger for years. Why did nail head finally go and see a doctor for scans? I'd say shock finally faded and he started to feel pain, as for nail boot, like I said if that happened to me i would Probably assume it went through my foot too, based on I never felt anything and I was in shock. I'd think at some point though, I'd probably know if it went through my foot or not.

                      I do consider myself to have quite a high pain tolerance. I think you have to if you lived in my body. I think like the old saying says, come live a day in my body, walk a mile in my shoes.

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                        #13
                        Another interesting thing would be to look at animals in pain. Because wild animals pretty much live on a kill or be killed or run and hide or don't survive type agenda which goes from little bugs up the food change to the great ancestral war of Lions and elephants.

                        We were taught that animals don't have the same range of emotions or psychology and ways of thinking humans do, yet animals wince in pain and hobble away. Scans, x rays have shown deteriorated body parts, inflammation, arthritis etc and those animals portray the similar traits to humans when we have those problems.

                        So is it fair to say that animals deal with the same type psychology in their injuries? It seems off that on one hand no, types of pain, how and why pain is occurring shouldn't register, they should nurse their injuries and get back on with it. But they don't, they feel those effects throughout life in the same way we do.

                        I'm starting to feel like it might just be as simple as, it is what it is.

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                          #14
                          Originally posted by Irminsul View Post
                          Another interesting thing would be to look at animals in pain. Because wild animals pretty much live on a kill or be killed or run and hide or don't survive type agenda which goes from little bugs up the food change to the great ancestral war of Lions and elephants.

                          We were taught that animals don't have the same range of emotions or psychology and ways of thinking humans do, yet animals wince in pain and hobble away. Scans, x rays have shown deteriorated body parts, inflammation, arthritis etc and those animals portray the similar traits to humans when we have those problems.
                          Animals, mammals at least, have the same receptors that alert the brain to aversive stimuli as humans, so surely they feel pain. For most animals, the frontal cortex is not as large and/or densely connected as humans, which is integral to our ability to abstract and conceptualize, with that in mind, I would guess the psychology of animals, maybe outside a select few like dolphins, is probably significantly different.

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                            #15
                            There's a trauma therapist, can't think of his name right now, but he noticed that when animals are threatened, physically hurt, or otherwise traumatized in some way they shake.

                            He theorizes that the shake essentially releases the physical tension of the trauma from the body's cells, but when humans are traumatized and try to hold it inward and maintain composure, we don't have a proper release and therefore carry around all that unreleased tension for years and new traumas compound onto old traumas which can lead to chronic pain.

                            His therapy centers around having veterans with PTSD clench their muscles until their muscles start shaking.
                            It's weird and unorthodox but I think there might be something to it.

                            I'll try to find his name and a link to more information later when i have more time

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