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    I Can Think of no Better Title Than, "Dear White People..."

    Historical Perspective, Whitewashed History, Critical Race Theory, Apu & Other Fun Topics Guaranteed to Trigger You

    This all began in the removing statues thread in which this idea that the removal of statues would somehow distort history.

    Well, history is already distorted, and it is that very distortion that some people, myself included, want to challenge. Unfortunately, it becomes another point of division. We're reduced to the usual 2 sides. On one side, the side that questions everything in the present, is convinced mainstream media is a propaganda tool, and that colleges are left wing indoctrination factories... don't have any desire to question the past. How can that be possible, but it's not possible that mainstream public education isn't an indoctrination process?

    But that's not what this is about.

    Back in the statues thread, Din was discussing the concept of more statues being added to provide a more balanced perspective on history. I don't know what he was thinking specifically, but I'm guessing something along the lines of a Sally Hemings statue near a Thomas Jefferson statue. Then he used a metaphor of pop culture. He compared it to Apu being removed from The Simpsons. Instead of removing Apu from the show, they should have changed him to a positive representation of an Indian American. But, that's not going to happen. And here's why. Because history is whitewashed. American history is caucasian history.

    Without black labor, the American economy never gets off the ground. They literally built the American south. They also fought in the American Revolution. The Army estimates that 10-15% of Washington's army was black, and that 1/5th of the army was a person of color. I'd assume that includes Native Americans, and possibly Latinos from the West as the Spaniards had already been inter marrying with native women for 2 centuries. Yeah. From before America was even it's own country, people of color have been playing a role in its history.

    And speaking of the Spaniards, don't forget that they had also colonized the Philippines. The first Asians began arriving in North America in 1587, long before the British and French. An "east Indian" was listed on the roll at Jamestown. In 1763, Filipinos establish a settlement in present day Louisiana. 70 Chinese enlist for the Union during the American Civil War, despite not being given credit for building the Transcontinental Railroad. Upon completion of the railroad, Chinese workers were forbidden to take part in photographs, their vital contribution to linking the east and west, literally erased. Or what about the Chinese and Indian Americans who fought for this country in the First World War? And speaking of war, the single most decorated unit in the history of the US Army was a segregated Japanese American unit made up of young men who volunteered to fight for their country while their families were imprisoned back home by that very country despite committing no crimes. The 1st non white player in the NBA? A Japanese American in 1947.

    But we never learn any of this stuff in school. We only learn white history from a white perspective. This is so ingrained in the American school system, that we had to force people to teach black history for a single month out of the year, prompting some white people to complain, "wHeN iZ Wh!tE hIsT0Reee m0NtH!?!?!?!?!?"

    This is about perspective. Do you really think a Native American and an Italian American look at Christopher Columbus the same way? Obviously not. You think a Japanese American and an Irish American look at FDR the same way? Hell no. Truthfully, what I've learned here and on HF is that white people and minorities don't see eye to eye on American history in general. It only makes sense, as we have different perspectives shaped by different life experiences. That is what this is really about. Minorities simply want history to be taught from multiple perspectives and highlight the important contributions of non white Americans in shaping this nation's history.

    So going back to Columbus, the white perspective is that in 1492 Columbus sailed the ocean blue on the Nina, Pinta, and Santa Maria. Right? We all know that story. The Native perspective is that Columbus enslaved them, took their land and exploited it for resources so he wouldn't have to return to Spain empty handed since he got lost on his way to India. Same person, 2 very different perspectives. I guess this would fall under critical race theory, which has drawn the wrath of conservative white America lately. This idea that white people see critical race theory as "making whites out to be evil" is also heavily based on perspective. The minority perspective is more along the lines of "hey! Our voices will be heard too!" and then along come white republican governors literally passing legislation to ensure we are not heard. And the white people who support that call me racist?

    It's like they don't want to hear the truth. This is why we have things like BLM and The 1619 project. I feel like some people hate that minorities are yelling at them without understanding that it is only because you ignore us when we talk. Woke culture is out of control because of the resistance of certain people to have fair, nuanced, and balanced discussions about things like history, race, gender, and sexuality. Certain white people are "silenced" on social media. Ok... entire races of people are being silenced in American society!! And the white resistance to us being heard is a cause for concern. So, I have to learn about John F Kennedy, but you don't have to learn about Daniel Inouye. I have to learn about Albert Einstein, but you don't have to learn about Chien-Shiung Wu. I have to learn about the Boston Massacre, but you don't have to learn about the Rock Springs Massacre. I listen to white people complain that they are being regarded as the bad guys while "yellow peril" is still alive and well.

    And while it's frustrating white America doesn't know these things, it's infuriating that they don't want to know. And making laws to ensure they never know. Literally passing laws in 2021 to marginalize minorities. You're either fine with this or you're not.

    Jefferson set up a country where only whites could vote, own land and become citizens, and we're told white supremacy is a myth.

    Washington fought a war because the King of England felt the American colonies shouldn't expand west of the Appalachian mountains, as they'd already encroached enough on Native American lands. They were also considering abolishing slavery in the colonies. The man now considered the "Father of our Country" fought a war to keep blacks in chains and Native American genocide on the dockett. We're told he fought for freedom and liberty.

    Andrew Jackson forcibly relocated several Native tribes from the southeast to Oklahoma. Women, children, the elderly, if they fell on the forced march they were left to die or were bayoneted by a passing soldier. Today, Jackson is on the $20 bill.

    There is sufficient evidence to suggest that the 1st ever republican president was most likely a homosexual. Not only is that swept under the rug, but his party continues, to this day, to push an anti gay agenda.

    FDR signs an executive order to lock up 120,000 American citizens for no reason, with no trial or due process. Becomes the white liberals' posterboy.

    Take any historical event or person and think about the story you know surrounding them, and realize there is almost always another side to that story. And that's our story. It's an ugly story. I get that you don't want to hear a story about oppression, racism, marginalization and exploitation. But in order for this country as a collective to move forward, to heal instead of divide, to have a country that minorities can be part of, to get more positive portrayals of people of color (like the non stereotype version of Apu) it's a story you're going to have to hear.

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    (Continued) Apparently there is a character count limit...

    And allow me to wrap up with 2 solid examples of how that dismissal of talking about race in our national story is so detrimental today. Because, as we all know, those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it. Anyway these 2 stories are about repercussions.

    Back in the statues thread, another member mentioned the 1619 project. She was outraged at the mere suggestion that the repercussions of slavery still reverberate through American society. The second slavery was over you know what these suddenly free people did? Went back into their drafty cabins, went to bed, and got up the next morning and worked the land. Nothing had changed. Sure, they had the freedom to leave and go off and do their own thing, but they didn't have the means. So a really exploitive form of sharecropping was established. Their former white masters were now their white business partners. The deal would go something like this... the freed slave would continue to work the land, and then after the harvest, the white landowner would split the profits with this black workers. Of course, it never happened that way. Instead they were only paid a fraction of what they were promised, trapping them in a repeated cycle of poverty. See, the white landowner would deduct the cost of all of the overhead (seeds, farm equipment, white labor, mules, whatever) from the black sharecropper's half, ensuring they'd be poor enough they'd never have the means to leave.

    But some did eventually leave. They went north to places like Chicago, NY, Detroit and worked plants and factories and whatnot. Henry Ford made a fortune off of black auto workers who weren't paid enough to buy the very car they built. After 300 years of seeing black people as somehow less than because of their slavery status, whites in the north were appalled at seeing them treated like any other citizen. White supremacy reared its ugly head again, and race riots broke out all over the country. While Jim Crow laws were still in place, black troops fought in WW2 and Korea. Black draftees in Vietnam made up 23% of the the combat force, despite only making up 11% of the population. Seems to me, white America has always benefited and profited off of black labor, sweat, and blood. And it continues to this day in the sports and entertainment businesses. Black music artists were screwed out of their royalties back in the 50s and 60s by the white record companies. White owned record labels made a ton of money off of black artists over the years. And in prisons you've got white wardens in charge of black inmates. In sports, the managers are white, the coaches are white, the reporters are white, the sponsors are white, the fans are white... the players are black. White people sitting around watching black people grunt and sweat for entertainment.

    Sure they're getting paid for it now, but the power dynamic hasn't changed in 400 years. If you can't see that, you're intentionally avoiding it.

    Then there's the 1942 project. Ok there is no actual 1942 project. No one would listen if there was. But in early 1942 the US Army rounded up 120,000 American citizens of Japanese descent and locked them in concentration camps in a complete human rights violation. In Japanese culture, sitting around the table, eating the food of your ancestors and talking to your family is almost sacred. You don't like eat on the couch and stuff. I have very fond memories of sitting with my mother, eating soba, shagoyaki and eggplant, while she told me stories about my father, or taught me some rudimentary phrases and words in Japanese.

    In the 40s the family sitting down doing this would suddenly have their door kicked in and told they had 48 hours to get ready to be transferred from their homes to what amounted to little more than a prison. And when they got to the camps, the family unit suffered. Kids were running around all day with their friends, playing in the dirt and snow. When meal times came around, they'd run off together and eat. They didn't sit with their families, they sat with their friends, eating hamburgers and spaghetti and fried chicken and mashed potatoes. Today, Japanese Americans are regarded as one of the most assimilated Asian ethnicities in the US. And it's because they don't know their culture, their food, or their language. Because that one little bump in the 1940s altered the trajectory of the story of the Japanese in America. The family dynamic was ruined forever.

    Like dominoes falling, the repercussions of something can topple through multiple generations. This is the history white America isn't taught. Because they don't want to learn it. And again, it is often said that those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.

    This is what keeps me up at night.

    If you made it this far, thank you for reading. I guess I didn't ask a question or put up a topic to debate, but I had to say this. If you have questions, comments, or something you'd like to debate, by all means.

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      #3
      Just like a pancake, always 2 Sides. Well written

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      • Pete's Draggun
        Pete's Draggun commented
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        Agreed SD.....
        Putting that much brain on script is a challenge in its self.

        Props Baegz

      #4
      TL;DR
      If America sucks so bad, you might ask your grandparents why they came here from Japan to raise a family for a better life

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      • Beach Ball Bitch
        Beach Ball Bitch commented
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        Pretty sure they were Japanese people from korea and it was her parents that left.

        Saying i was outraged is a massive exaggeration. I couldn’t be bothered with her bs yet again. Seems certain news sources feed her misinformation. I am sure she is the victim in that scenario and starting a convo here that is happening elsewhere is pointless.

        Someone needed to get off their soap box... I think I will pass on this thread. The other one was covering things just fine.
        Last edited by Beach Ball Bitch; 06-25-2021, 01:13 AM.

      #5
      Originally posted by 6-eyed View Post
      TL;DR
      If America sucks so bad, you might ask your grandparents why they came here from Japan to raise a family for a better life
      They didn't

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        #6
        Okay I'll just be blunt
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        I've never understood why minorities get so mad about arrogant white people. In so many countries, the group that gets taken over is forced to become the culture that took over. One country was more dominant than the other. Is the problem just that it hurts your feelings? Like... I just don't understand. Are we not supposed to say that we like being white?

        "dear minorities..." you're right, no one really cares I guess. And it's because of long ass rants like this. You just complain about white people but not what we should do. "be more aware" "support the cause" "be nicer to minorities" okay and then? There are some people who just don't care. What about those people? Bagel seems to think those people are point blank racist so I would love to see her perspective of it, without personal attacks or sob stories

        White people would rather die than do physical labour. We would literally rather die than be slaves.

        Last edited by Verbe; 06-25-2021, 01:31 AM. Reason: my bad, I thought nifty pebbles wrote this post lol

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          #7
          History is always written by the victorious. That was very well written Bagel. Thanks.

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            #8
            Well written bagel thanks.

            I agree with a lot of it. But Other than the historical stuff (which as you pointed out Americans don’t know anything about) it doesn’t seem like there’s any lack of content pointing out these problems. I hear about it all the time. I think the problem is it makes a lot of people uncomfortable and aggressive when it comes up. It triggers a primal us vs them part of the brain For a lot of people I think.

            I also don’t see a lot of take homes in many of these discussions. Like when I hear about these kinds of things, I’ll be like ‘that sucks, how can I help?.’ And the answer always seems to be like read some dry tome. And as much as I be
            believe in the power of reading, kinda would like something more concrete.

            Cory Booker wants to give bonds to all babies. Maybe that’s what we should do. Give some babies some cash that they can withdraw when they become 18. Lessen the wealth gap a bit. Don’t have any idea about the history part. I had US history in 5th grade, 8th grade and 11th grade, and in Texas the class always ended right during re-construction.






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              What Americans are we talking about.. Click image for larger version

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                #10
                "You could look at the entire evolution of civilisation as a history of rulers who continually devised new justifications for their privileges."

                Just a slightly different perspective because I found this so interesting and related it to this thread when I read it. The author of that quote is positing that humans do not naturally tolerate inequality, as illustrated in studies and observations on children and primitive tribes, and therefore must be convinced through propaganda that inequality is fair in some way. This can be seen throughout history in royal titles, in the way kings claim they derive their authority from God, and also through historical relevance.

                I.e. history was written the way it was because it enables the powerful to justify the unfairness of their power and the oppression of minorities.

                *and I'm aware propaganda can be used in the same way to justify caste systems among people of the same race as well, like when wealthy aristocrats lay claim to a long lineage of inherited wealth and titles as justification for hoarding wealth while peasants starve outside their door, but I related it back to this thread because power and wealth does tend to trend more disproportionately by race

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                  #11
                  Good post, Bagel

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                    #12
                    Originally posted by Osquirrell View Post
                    What Americans are we talking about.. Click image for larger version

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                    Clearly all my references of the US and US historical figures is about Venezuela.

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                      #13
                      Dear white people of treefort,

                      Yall need to lighten up.

                      😎

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                        #14
                        They are going to put a Truman statue in the Capitol building next year

                        That would be the Truman that ordered two atomic bombs dropped on Japan


                        https://www.trumanlibraryinstitute.org/statue/

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                          #15
                          Originally posted by Vanilla Gorilla View Post
                          They are going to put a Truman statue in the Capitol building next year

                          That would be the Truman that ordered two atomic bombs dropped on Japan


                          https://www.trumanlibraryinstitute.org/statue/
                          What happened to the Japanese civilian population was awful. With historical hindsight I think we can all agree, it was a horrible decision, especially since Russia's entry into the war pretty much made Japan understand it was a lost cause.

                          But if I'm Truman and I am offered a magic button to end a decade of war in a second. I don't know. How do I say no to that?

                          Who knows what American officials did and didn't know. We're they trying to save lives? We're they trying to flex for the USSR? Who knows.

                          But ending the most destructive conflict in human history deserves some respect

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