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    Do I worship Dictator Mussolini (Il Duce)?


    Neon's quote inspired a small book.

    Originally posted by neonspectraltoast View Post
    Everyone just wants peace, Matt. If Mussolini wanted peace, why did he have an army? You said it yourself: he was one of those "street toughs." He was a violent guy.

    But there's peace, and then there's slumber. There actually are people so insane, that they actually don't want us to think for ourselves.

    They want us to follow a protocol.

    It seems weird to me that you seem to believe in Jesus Christ, but you don't worship him. You worship Mussolini. I mean, the way you revere him is the definition of worship.

    I'm not about about to start writing Him with a capital h.

    Italy had people worse off than either of us, Matt. Don't be naive.
    Mussolini was both a bad guy and a good guy.

    What I like about him is he said essentially "fuck getting a high school diploma, got kicked out of high school for fighting, educated himself, founded his own party, decided he could take over a 1st world Democracy, government, and military without firing shots, and without (qualifications while still in his 30's), and resurrect the Roman Empire.

    In fact, his invention and policies inspired the economic miracles in Germany that brought a country demoralized and in the rubble of world war 1 defeat (and the treaty of versailles), full of Communist infiltration, and on the verge of a red revolution, and copying Mussolini's march on Rome, Hitler marched on Berlin (which failed. No one has ever accomplished something like The Duce's march on Rome) but Hitler continued to copy Mussolini's ideas when he eventually did get into power.

    The results of copying Mussolini in Germany originally were a good thing. Unemployment dropped to less than 1%, a nation where few people had cars suddenly was a nation where you could get a Volkswagen for the price of a small motorcycle, jobs were abundant, Germany began doing what Italy did which was produce what they needed in Germany and not rely on imports from other nations. Germany also did what Italy did by declaring Independence from corrupt global banking cartels (run by Jews).

    The results of copying Mussolini , quickly brought a nation completely impoverished and broken to becoming the greatest and most powerful nation on earth to the point they could boldly violate the terms of the treaty of Versailles , and other nations didn't dare step in to stop it until the invasion of Poland.

    The reason Fascism became so evil in Germany , was because Germany lost World War 1 , and countless Germans wanted revenge ( and blamed the Jews for the loss of the war, as well as most Jews were secular, had a tight hold on the media, and many were Communists with ties to the Bolshiveks.)

    So yes, it makes Mussolini look terrible, because he was the inspiration that essentially got Hitler started and made Germany the greatest nation on the earth. However, Il Duce wasn't the cause of Hitler's racism and hatred. In fact, Mussolini rebuked Hitler's racism publically.

    During Mussolini's lifetime, the American government was more racist than Fascist Italy with all the segregation laws and buildings that said "White's only".

    But let me put it to you like this: I think Mussolini was a good man who made a lot of bad choices. Was he a bad guy? Sometimes. But he usually had a goal of trying to bring less suffering into the world. He believed he could bring Civilization, better healthcare, and better education to Ethiopia and abolish the barbaric slavery that the Ethiopian Empire was practicing.

    He also abolished the way Ethiopians tortured and mutilated people. Like after the battle of Adwa, Ethiopia took all their Eritrian prisoners (black Africans) and cut off a hand and a foot off each prisoner,
    and close to a thousand soldiers with amputations slowly crawled to a river to drink water with no one to care for them and slowly died of exposure to the elements and inability to walk.

    Mussolini declared war on Ethiopia and said avenging the Eritrians and any future victims of Ethiopia, ending genital amputations (which Ethiopian Empire had a history of), abolishing slavery, and other things I mentioned would bring less suffering to Ethiopia as part of a Roman Empire and Italian colony with better education and healthcare.

    Mussolini also gave more jobs to unemployed Italians as a result of that succesful conquest, by offering them the opportunity to find work at the new Italian Colony and more jobs available in the military.

    After repeatedly telling Hitler not to attack Poland or Czechoslovakia, the Duce sided with him as France was falling because he shared a common enemy (Communism) and it looked like Hitler had basically won the war any way, because only Britain was left (and they retreated in defeat to their island.)

    Had the Duce known Russia and America were going to enter the war , he would not have sided with Hitler. He believed he could grab some of the land falling before it all fell to the Nazis, that he and Hitler would create a greater and more prosperous united States of Europe, Holy Roman Empire of the 20th century, in which he was the Caesar, and an antibolshivek block that fought the errors of atheist Communism, and defended God and Religion.

    In the end, his motives were "healthy society, more money in everyone's pockets, less suffering, more happiness, unity, and joy". He knew the war was causing a lot of suffering , but sometimes if there are cancerous tumors that need to be removed or surgery done on broken bones, the Doctor has to cut you open, do damage, create big wounds and permanent scars, cause far more suffering, even risk killing the patient, but in the end it leads to less suffering if the operation is succesful.

    In Mussolini's case, the operation was a failure that cost him his life at the hands of communists, and left him hanging upside down to be used as target practice with bullets and stones. But still, his intentions were not wicked , and he was a good person who made bad choices.

    Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Tojo, Pol Pot, and Communist leaders were evil brutal people without an ounce of human decency ( with maybe a single redeemable quality like Hitler really loved animals, lamented the horrors of slaughterhouses, and became a vegitarian, wishing to establish laws throughout Europe that put an end to animal cruelty.) But all other 20th century Dictators qualify as evil people (with the exception of Francisco Franco of Spain, Mussolini's pupil).

    But regarding your statement that I worship the Duce. Not in the sense that I give him the adoration that belongs to God alone.

    Mussolini did not create the universe. The only reason Mussolini is anything is because he was redeemed by the shed blood of Christ, and when Mussolini was in prison (before German commandos parachuted over the prison and rescued him), the only thing he did really to pass the time in solitary confinement was read a book about Jesus.

    I don't claim the blood and death of Mussolini redeemed and saved my soul. I don't pray all my prayers "In the name of Mussolini". I end all my prayers: "In Jesus name, Amen"!


    I go to Mass almost daily to receive Jesus in the Holy Eucharist and listen to the word of God. I don't see any forms of worship or private ceremonies I have or celebrate or rituals in honor of Mussolini to be anything as high, solemn, or sacred as the Catholic Mass.

    The reason you hear me talk about Mussolini more than Jesus is because Jesus receives the praise of over 2 billion Christians, over a billion Muslims, and people from other Religions also praise Jesus even if they don't believe he was God.

    Mussolini on the other hand gets no credit for anything good, Even the very Pope who gets his own country from Mussolini denied the Duce a Catholic burial and denied Rachel Mussolini's desire to visit the Pope because the Pope said "it would be bad for Church politics." ( Yet Mussolini did more to defend the Catholic Church than anyone on earth during his generation and accomplished what many of the Saints tried to accomplish and failed.)

    The only thing people think of when they hear the name Mussolini is typically "he was a bad guy, he was racist (which he wasn't), he was an ally of Hitler, he was the founder of Fascism, he was an evil Dictator, he was a war criminal (yet he was found innocent of war crimes) etc


    It isn't who Benito was though that truly keeps me honoring him. It's who I believe he is today in the Kingdom of God. I have received countless signs that he is communicating with me and that Scripture prefigured and overshadowed and spoke of him.

    In fact, I would still live in a homeless shelter and not have an apartment were it not for Mussolini marrying Rachel. By moving to this apartment just in the nick of time last Spring, I got to console my next door neighbor on July 29, Mussolini's birthday, when his brother got murdered, creating a bond between us, and he is my best friend in the state of Minnesota (and he's black).


    Mussolini died feast of Saint Louis De Montfort. Saint Louis De Montfort is the Saint with the surest , quickest, easiest path to Christian perfection, who was my favorite writer before Mussolini was anything to me. When I read Saint De Montfort's book, I held the book up before an altar and prayed that my life would be the devotion in that book.

    Well, everything I knew about Jacob (Mussolini) in the Old Testament came from De Montfort, so what are the odds Mussolini dies the same day of the year De Montfort died and also the feast of De Montfort.

    This got me to go back to daily mass, have a far more fervent prayer life, do deeds of charity, and have far more integrity.

    Bottom line is, it seems Mussolini is heavily influencing me more than any Saint or historical figure. I mention him far more than I mention Jesus because the Bible makes me ill for one. It contradicts itself a lot and goes against my conscience in places.

    But more importantly, I mention Mussolini more than I mention Jesus, because Jesus has countless billions of people on earth worshipping him and countless people in Heaven worshipping him with Angels and whatever else.

    Mussolini mainly has nothing but hatred and indifference. People have already heard about Jesus to the point it drives people nuts. People usually don't know shit about Il Duce!


    So, please vote on this poll the answer that best describes your opinion on the issue if you have one:
    5
    Yes, you worship Mussolini I think
    20.00%
    1
    No, you venerate Mussolini. There is a difference
    60.00%
    3
    You honor Mussolini, think he's your friend, are nuts, but don't worhsip him
    20.00%
    1
    You give to Mussolini the adoration that belongs to the creator alone
    0%
    0

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      #3
      This is beyond veneration.

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        #4
        And Disturbed sucks.

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          #5
          Originally posted by neonspectraltoast View Post
          And Disturbed sucks.
          I like the chorus of that song.

          But yes, as a general rule, I don't like disturbed.

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          • neonspectraltoast
            neonspectraltoast commented
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            No, you're Daffy Duck.

          • neonspectraltoast
            neonspectraltoast commented
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            No, I got it. You're Marvin the Martian.

          • Matthew Mussolini
            Matthew Mussolini commented
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            i kid you not, the crazy thing was I was just writing in my journal about something from an old journal while high about God taking me to a luxury apartment on Mars where Mussolini's headquarters is and mating with one of my Capitol Hill Queens in a spiritual sense of becoming one Spirit, and getting her pregnant with a Tulpa that is to be born on February 14th, Valentines day.

            A Tulpa is a sentient being with an independent intelligent mind that is created by someone other than God because the Spirit of God is within some people to create spirit beings similar to Angels.

            In th journal entry it says he is Theodore the Martian and shall create a Tulpa Empire on Mars and the Fascist Martians shall be alien Shapeshifters that shall invade earth and set up a New World Order, Holy Roman Empire of the Rising Sun.

            Of course, your comment is probably coincidence, but I never write about Martians, and I don't remember writing about creating a Tulpa on Mars and naming it Ted. Maybe I should name him Marvin instead.

            So, it's just bizzare your comment about that comes up right after I read a paragraph I never remember writing about me being the father of a Martian. :-)

          #6
          Originally posted by neonspectraltoast View Post
          This is beyond veneration.
          Speaking of disturbed, it seems you are disturbed with the homage I pay the Caesar.

          "Give to God what belongs to God, give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar", is a quote from Christ.

          God has enough friends.

          Beyond veneration perhaps. Worship... technically no.

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            #7
            So we're agreed you're definitely blurring the line between veneration and worship here.

            Jesus also said it was easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to gain passage to the kingdom of Heaven, and what was Caesar's was wealth.

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              #8
              Originally posted by neonspectraltoast View Post
              So we're agreed you're definitely blurring the line between veneration and worship here.

              Jesus also said it was easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to gain passage to the kingdom of Heaven, and what was Caesar's was wealth.
              Mussolini lived off only what he made off the newspaper which he had prior to his rise to power and gave all his money he made as Prime Minister to charitable causes.

              When his house was raided, nothing of value was found and his wife was found in an apron with eggs and they thought she was a maid. Mussolini actually kinda lived like a poor popper despite the real nice uniforms and boots which the state provided and designed to raise the morale of the people.

              Other than that , he forbid his wife to wear a fur coat or have jewlery and he refused to keep valuable things as well. His most valuable item he had was a knife he purchased in Switzerland.

              Odd fact is both he and I had an obsession with knives and got in trouble for stabbing someone.

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                #9
                You equated Caesar with Mussolini. Caesar was wealthy.

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                  #10
                  Originally posted by neonspectraltoast View Post
                  And Disturbed sucks.
                  I like this one:

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                    #11
                    You guys enjoy talking about Disturbed, now. Logic, and I, will be elsewhere.

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                      #12
                      Originally posted by neonspectraltoast View Post
                      You equated Caesar with Mussolini. Caesar was wealthy.
                      Mussolini actually became a Caesar with his conquest of Ethiopia, Libya, Somalia, and Albania. That technically fulfilled his dream of Resurrection + Revival of the Roman Empire, despite it not having near the size of the Empire of ancient Rome.

                      However , as a Caesar his Empire might have been small, but he created the Regime and Monarchy in Spain that lasted until 1976, by propping up his Pupil Franco (that defeated soviet-backed Communist revolution and Civil war in Spain.)

                      Caesar Mussolini was the man that was copied and inspired the economic miracles in Germany that made it the greatest nation in the world. That's quite impressive that Mussolini could do that without even a high school diploma.

                      If Hitler would have died of a heart attack before invading Poland, he would have been known as the man who brought Germany to it's golden age (thanks to copying Bentio's invention) and he would have died a hero.

                      If Hitler would have avoided the invasion of Poland and all wars of agression, he and Mussolini would have been in power for the rest of their lives and died heroes.

                      And no, a Caesar doesn't have to be wealthy. A Caesar is just a Roman Emperor. Technically Mussolini wasn't poor because he spent shit loads of money trying to make Italy greater.

                      But he was poor in the sense that the Caesar tried to only take what he needed for himself and use the rest towards making life better for the people.

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                        #13
                        Originally posted by PacificDude View Post

                        I like this one:

                        I never realized disturbed redid Simon and Garfunkl's "sound of silence".

                        Also , the coincidence involving that song is that this thread is about whether or not I worship a false God, begins with me quoting Neon, and you were quoting Neon, and In the song it says "And the people bowed and prayed. To the neon God they made."

                        I'm not saying it means anything but still I like the coincidence lol

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                          #14
                          Originally posted by neonspectraltoast View Post
                          You guys enjoy talking about Disturbed, now. Logic, and I, will be elsewhere.
                          neonspectraltoast Don't go, neon. I like how your brain works big time. Do you like Bukowski?

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                            #15
                            Originally posted by ill Duce View Post

                            I never realized disturbed redid Simon and Garfunkl's "sound of silence".
                            lucky.

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