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    Who is the nicest atheist?

    I actually have a soft spot in my heart for atheists because I was one and was very angry, hateful, and bitter towards almost anyone , but especially Religious people.

    But I remember it was because of how stupid the Bible was that was the reason I was an atheist , because Jonah spent days inside a whale (like the little wooden boy with a big nose who became a real boy) , and how the Funk does a person fit down the throat an in the belly of any mammal in one piece?

    Then Noah creates an Ark where a pair of every animal supposedly goes and he's cleaning up the piss and shit of hundreds of millions of animals and feeding them and built a ship big enough for them.

    And big Giant creatures have sex with humans. Ham sees his Father naked and all his descendants are condemned to be slaves for crimes they didn't commit. And the descendants of Ham settled in Africa of all places, which was used to justify enslaving black people.

    And the Bible actually promotes and sanctions slavery.

    So, I can't read the Bible without getting extremely angry because it divides people, stirs up hatred, bigotry, endless arguments, self-righteousness, and fear of a place where people are tortured for eternity for not accepting Jesus.

    I can't handle such bullshit that just the words "Holy Bible" make me want to vomit.

    The Crucifixion of Jesus was really moving though , how he forgave the people who humiliated him, crowned him with thorns, and nailed him to wood, and asked his Father to forgive them. There is a lot of good in "The Book" as well. That is, as long as people aren't using it to judge and condemn.

    So, I sympathize with atheists. But almost every atheist I have met is abrasive, angry, antagonistic, disrespectful, proud, and obnoxious with the exception of Audiogen and the van driver of my last job.

    Regarding the administrator here, I don't claim to know the guy, so he might actually be mean for all I know, but we have had our differences and I've seen people even insult him and never seen him respond with obnoxious anger, insults, unhealthy pride, or anything but the response of a harmless person who has control of unruly passions, and comes accross as humble.

    I guess Buddha is my favorite agnostic, but it isn't clear if he was agnostic. Many sects of Buddhism are not agnostic.

    A very rare quality for me to see in a humble atheist who doesn't respond with anger to issues like Faith, morals, and belief in the supernatural.

    Go to Atheist forums.org or any atheist forum and see the hate compared to going to a religious forum.

    My van driver as a paper boy hated Fascism and right wingers and I didn't care for a lot of her beliefs. She loathed Religion and believed every Catholic priest was a rapist pedophile pig. But she was actually really nice to me and knew I was a Fascist. So I was nice to her, and would take a bullet for her to receive enlightenment.

    When I couldn't walk 10 miles with 45 pounds of paper because of injuries to the knees and hips, she dropped me off and said, "Just stand there and make it look like you're working when I come pick you up".

    PacificDude doesn't strike me as an atheist but more of someone who borders on being agnostic yet can value enshrining heroes and paying homage to them as Native Americans, some Buddhists, Shintoists, Shamans, Tengriists, and as Fascist mysticism commands us to do.

    Who would you say is the most meek and humble atheist?
    Last edited by Matthew Mussolini; 03-14-2021, 11:28 PM.

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    Okay,
    actually, I've met multiple atheists who were enjoyable company in real life. I shouldn't say they are all abrasive. At atheist online forums though, they have been extremely mean.

    I aint trippin though. They did have police come put me in handcuffs and take me to the ER for a psyche evalue. Oh well!

    Also, communist atheists killed more than 100 million people in the 20th century. So, I'm just a little suspicious.
    Last edited by Matthew Mussolini; 03-14-2021, 11:32 PM.

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      #3
      I'm the nicest atheist.

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        #4
        Penn & Teller are good atheists

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          #5
          Originally posted by tumbling.dice View Post
          I'm the nicest atheist.
          For he's a jolly good atheist...which nobody can deny.

          I've always admired that about you! Even when you get trigger happy with the anti-troll bazooka!

          Plus, your taste in Southern girls and porn stars indicates you are not entirely spiritually bankrupt. Your heart yearns for the twin flame goddess of thy soul. She knows this and waits for you eagerly, that rapturous moment when your eyes are opened.

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          Let it be that lots of erotic dancing girls and goddesses of love will be beside you in this life and the next,

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          to take your soul to a nice places where the Vodka and Spirits harm thee not! And the euphoria, romance, and excitement ceases not but grows more each day, bringing you the first degrees of beauty , power, glory, perfection, and orgasmic euphoria.

          And may our children's children burn incense in thy honor and decorate thy grave. Pay homage to thee and worship thy sacred bones!

          Or if that's not your style, this world is a microscopic speck of dust compared to the size of the universe. She's out there...somewhere....



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            #6
            Originally posted by ill Duce View Post
            I actually have a soft spot in my heart for atheists because I was one and was very angry, hateful, and bitter towards almost anyone , but especially Religious people.

            But I remember it was because of how stupid the Bible was that was the reason I was an atheist , because Jonah spent days inside a whale (like the little wooden boy with a big nose who became a real boy) , and how the Funk does a person fit down the throat an in the belly of any mammal in one piece?

            Then Noah creates an Ark where a pair of every animal supposedly goes and he's cleaning up the piss and shit of hundreds of millions of animals and feeding them and built a ship big enough for them.

            And big Giant creatures have sex with humans. Ham sees his Father naked and all his descendants are condemned to be slaves for crimes they didn't commit. And the descendants of Ham settled in Africa of all places, which was used to justify enslaving black people.

            And the Bible actually promotes and sanctions slavery.

            So, I can't read the Bible without getting extremely angry because it divides people, stirs up hatred, bigotry, endless arguments, self-righteousness, and fear of a place where people are tortured for eternity for not accepting Jesus.

            I can't handle such bullshit that just the words "Holy Bible" make me want to vomit.

            The Crucifixion of Jesus was really moving though , how he forgave the people who humiliated him, crowned him with thorns, and nailed him to wood, and asked his Father to forgive them. There is a lot of good in "The Book" as well. That is, as long as people aren't using it to judge and condemn.

            So, I sympathize with atheists. But almost every atheist I have met is abrasive, angry, antagonistic, disrespectful, proud, and obnoxious with the exception of Audiogen and the van driver of my last job.

            Regarding the administrator here, I don't claim to know the guy, so he might actually be mean for all I know, but we have had our differences and I've seen people even insult him and never seen him respond with obnoxious anger, insults, unhealthy pride, or anything but the response of a harmless person who has control of unruly passions, and comes accross as humble.

            I guess Buddha is my favorite agnostic, but it isn't clear if he was agnostic. Many sects of Buddhism are not agnostic.

            A very rare quality for me to see in a humble atheist who doesn't respond with anger to issues like Faith, morals, and belief in the supernatural.

            Go to Atheist forums.org or any atheist forum and see the hate compared to going to a religious forum.
            I can understand how militant atheists who make their beliefs known to everyone, and join atheist communities would be complete jerks like that. In a way, the way they push their areligious beliefs onto others are just as bad as how those super religious Jesus freaks push their beliefs onto us. So yea, most of them are hypocrites.

            My little brother is a devout atheist who is a huge fan of Richard Dawkins and Carl Sagan. He and I experienced the dark nature of some of the more religious members of our extended family. As a child, our grandmother gave him $50 cash one Sunday before church as a present, and then her husband (step grandpa) pressured him to put it all in the collections bowl to give it to the church, right in front of a group of other kids in the church. It was an incredible amount of peer pressure to put on him to give up such a generous gift from Grandma. This was all teach the church kids a lesson in sacrifices, and my brother was the one who was put on the spot. It was the beginning of his rebellion toward the Christian establishment.

            Most militant atheists I've talked to, rebelled themselves from religious family members. And I can see why a strict religious upbringing would inspire an areligious rebellion.

            I became an atheist too, but mostly because I thought church was sooooo boring and a time waster, especially on a Sunday morning when I could be sleeping in.

            The only problem with atheists, is that many of them are hypocrites. Where they won't follow God, they will prescribe themselves to follow someone or something else. So most end up joining the church of Woke-ism.

            Recently I gave up atheism and found God. I came to the realization that our human rights are our God Given Rights. Not gifts from government. Without God, we have no rights. Deism would probably be the best way to describe my views on religion.
            Last edited by 6-eyed; 03-15-2021, 12:18 AM.

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              #7
              Originally posted by ill Duce View Post
              Regarding the administrator here, I don't claim to know the guy, so he might actually be mean for all I know, but we have had our differences and I've seen people even insult him and never seen him respond with obnoxious anger, insults, unhealthy pride, or anything but the response of a harmless person who has control of unruly passions, and comes accross as humble.
              I had my moments when I used to get drunk at the old place, so maybe there is carryover resentment from that, although I'd contend most of it was tame in comparison to the stuff that makes the Pit here. Perhaps some of it may be in the moderation decisions but most all moderation decisions here aren't made unilaterally, something to keep in mind.

              I've rarely drank since the inception of this forum and I definitely don't go on benders like I used to.

              Even when I was obnoxiously drunk, I don't recall much of anything I said having to do with religious beliefs.

              Who would you say is the most meek and humble atheist?
              Brian Greene, a theoretical physicist who did some of the formative work on String Theory and is a prominent Science orator.

              Of prominent atheist scientists, he seems to be the least combative towards religious worldviews.
              Last edited by Audiogen; 03-15-2021, 12:28 AM.

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                #8
                Originally posted by 6-eyed View Post

                I can understand how militant atheists who make their beliefs known to everyone, and join atheist communities would be complete jerks like that. In a way, the way they push their areligious beliefs onto others are just as bad as how those super religious Jesus freaks push their beliefs onto us. So yea, most of them are hypocrites.

                My little brother is a devout atheist who is a huge fan of Richard Dawkins and Carl Sagan. He and I experienced the dark nature of some of the more religious members of our extended family. As a child, our grandmother gave him $50 cash one Sunday before church as a present, and then her husband (step grandpa) pressured him to put it all in the collections bowl to give it to the church, right in front of a group of other kids in the church. It was an incredible amount of peer pressure to put on him to give up such a generous gift from Grandma. This was all teach the church kids a lesson in sacrifices, and my brother was the one who was put on the spot. It was the beginning of his rebellion toward the Christian establishment.

                Most militant atheists I've talked to, rebelled themselves from religious family members. And I can see why a strict religious upbringing would inspire an areligious rebellion.

                I became an atheist too, but mostly because I thought church was sooooo boring and a time waster, especially on a Sunday morning when I could be sleeping in.

                The only problem with atheists, is that many of them are hypocrites. Where they won't follow God, they will prescribe themselves to follow someone or something else. So most end up joining the church of Woke-ism.

                Recently I gave up atheism and found God. I came to the realization that our human rights are our God Given Rights. Not gifts from government. Without God, we have no rights. Deism would probably be the best way to describe my views on religion.
                Friggin awesome!

                As I said, this whole world is a microscopic speck of dust compared to the Universe. God is so much bigger than Religion and not confined to a Bible.

                He/she can read your hearts and thoughts because it is an infinite being who created all stars, galaxies, planets, and is completely all-knowing.

                As Christ said , "There is more rejoicing over one repentant sinner than 99 righteous people who have no need of repentance". Let's not forget the Prodigal Son spent all his Father's money on wine, party, and prostitutes, and the Father welcomed him with open arms, through a party for him, dined on the fatted calf and put the best robe on him and ring on his finger.

                The Father of the Prodigal son represented God's attitude towards those who are wayward and lost.

                God is more pleased with an atheist that finds him and makes the smallest act of faith than all these religious people.

                Seek and you shall find!

                I bad mouth God all the time but am very pleased when an atheist finds some sort of strength or consolation in prayer, especially to recognize human rights are God given.

                You will be tested with all the stupidity in this world , but it will strengthen your faith. God bless!

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                  #9
                  I thought Carl Sagan was always respectful towards believers. He'd debate them, sure, but he never tried to make them feel stupid or anything.

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                    #10
                    While I did find The Bible silly growing up and never really understood the point of stuff like sitting around the dinner table or basketball court doing a prayer, it wasn't until I took Philosophy courses where I established more of an atheist position.

                    My position relies mostly from an epistemological one. I think rationalism and empiricism or broadly speaking, reason and evidence are the 2 strongest tools humans have to understand the world. Other radical philosophical positions such as Solipsism, or the idea that only the self can be known to exist, have made me think less favorably of faith based explanations. Even though they are not the same, as I think most religious people are dualists, it highlights just how far the mind permits itself to wander unchecked and it's an untenable position to deal in the shared reality that we all exist. For instance, you can never be a solipsist when you are driving on a busy freeway, the entire exercise relies on you being aware of those around you and making rational decisions to not crash, which mostly rests on how you react to the situation.

                    The problem of evil is the death knell to the idea of the personal God of omnipotence, omnibenevolence, omnipresence, etc. It points to an unresolvable paradox and theodicy seems to count for little more than theist therapy, where at least one of those qualities of God has to be diminished, thus rendering the term meaningless.


                    I'm not sure what happened with the communist atheist regimes of the 20th century but I think for atheist governance to thrive it needs to be led by humanistic and egalitarian philosophy and principles before whatever political framework is espoused.

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                      #11
                      6-eyed How are our human rights God given when they clearly depend on human agreement to establish them?

                      No matter how I look at it the only right that trancends human rights is nature's right of the strongest. No other right seems God given, they all seem 'community' or society given. Government and law (aspects of humans in a society) is ment to and used for guaranteeing such rights.

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                        #12
                        It's a very 18th century political philosophy
                        we hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable Rights
                        and all that jazz
                        Personally I don't think a God is necessary to believe that certain rights are inherent and unalienable as free people.

                        One can take a more humanist approach and arrive at the same conclusion

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Meliai View Post
                          Personally I don't think a God is necessary to believe that certain rights are inherent and unalienable as free people.

                          One can take a more humanist approach and arrive at the same conclusion
                          Seems a fact that God is not neccesary for that. It seems also factual that even if we do attribute certain universal human rights to God (as in: coming from the Creator) it still is not a given for us in any way. We depend more on other people to be able to exercise such rights than on the heavenly father so to speak.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by 6-eyed View Post

                            The only problem with atheists, is that many of them are hypocrites. Where they won't follow God, they will prescribe themselves to follow someone or something else. So most end up joining the church of Woke-ism.
                            For the sake of argument, I'll concede the premise but how is one a hypocrite if they do not believe in a Supernatural Deity yet still hold idealistic beliefs as fundamental?

                            Are Buddhists hypocrites because they don't believe in God?

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Audiogen View Post

                              For the sake of argument, I'll concede the premise but how is one a hypocrite if they do not believe in a Supernatural Deity yet still hold idealistic beliefs as fundamental?

                              Are Buddhists hypocrites because they don't believe in God?
                              He clearly connects the hypocrisy in atheists to them supposedly changing the following of a religion or God/pantheon to following an atheist equivalent like a church or secular 'doctrine' as 'woke'ism' :P
                              But 1) it seems arguable if that counts for the average atheist
                              and 2) its not the following of/subscribing to a higher power or church on itself that makes a theist hypocritical (as 6-eyed seems to put it. Maybe he should rephrase it anyway, since its unclear how following a God is hypocritical on itself)

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