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**neonspectraltoast** · 08-01-2021, 09:57 PM

And the "church" (a collection of manmade buildings) proclaims: You'll know they're evil 'cause they'll deny Jesus. You'll know Satan because he says Jesus wasn't the only God. Well how fucking convenient. You own truth. You own God... Bullshit. I spit on your robes. You've turned God into something unholy and then condemn people for not loving and unloving creator.

But the Omnimax is with you, the force is with you, because you are it and it is you. You cannot lie to the all-seeing eye. You speak praise to be seen by men, but God hears the wickedness in your minds. And you, evil-doers, are not the saved simply because you take the easy road of worshiping a man instead of the hard road of contemplating your Oneness with Creation.

**neonspectraltoast** · 08-01-2021, 10:17 PM

Many of you might think it's cheesy to claim you commune with the Great Spirit. (I prefer the way the natives saw things.) But I had doubt after doubt, riddled with doubts, and time and time again the Great Spirit saved me and reminded me, "Nope, you're wrong. I love you no matter what."

**Osquirrell** · 08-02-2021, 01:23 AM

Father? Yes, son? I wanna kill you....

The dog crucifix The dead seal Ghosts of the dead car sun Stop the card I'm getting out, I can't take it Hey, look out, there's somebody coming And there's nothing you can do about it...

**neonspectraltoast** · 08-02-2021, 01:33 AM

Originally posted by Osquirrell View Post

Father? Yes, son? I wanna kill you....

The dog crucifix The dead seal Ghosts of the dead car sun Stop the card I'm getting out, I can't take it Hey, look out, there's somebody coming And there's nothing you can do about it...

"I dunno how many of you people believe in astrology... I am a sagitarius, the most philosophical of all the signs. But anyway, I don't believe in it. I think its a bunch of bullshit myself. But I tell you this man, I tell you this, I don't know whats gonna happen man, but I wanna have my kicks before the whole shit house goes up in flames."

**Jessica** · 08-02-2021, 06:54 AM

I wonder if you'd enjoy A Course In Miracles, Andy. The writers say it was dictated to them by Jesus, but the Jesus who narrated it specifically says that it is a universal curriculum and that Christianity is just the story that we understand. The "Jesus" who narrated ACIM just stands for a certain level of spirit, I take it to be.

Whether the writers made it up, or it was dictated by an enlightened soul, it does a good job of re-explaining aspects of Christianity that have been twisted and misunderstood. It rings true, to me.

**tumbling.dice** · 08-02-2021, 09:53 AM

Once there lived a village of creatures along the bottom of a great crystal river. The current of the river swept silently over them all -- young and old, rich and poor, good and evil -- the current going its own way, knowing only its own crystal self.

Each creature in its own manner clung tightly to the twigs and rocks of the river bottom, for clinging was their way of life, and resisting the current was what each had learned from birth.

But one creature said at last, "I am tired of clinging. Though I cannot see it with my eyes, I trust that the current knows where it is going. I shall let go, and let it take me where it will. Clinging, I shall die of boredom."

The other creatures laughed and said, "Fool! Let go, and that current you worship will throw you tumbled and smashed against the rocks, and you will die quicker than boredom!"

But the one heeded them not, and taking a breath did let go, and at once was tumbled and smashed by the current across the rocks.

Yet in time, as the creature refused to cling again, the current lifted him free from the bottom, and he was bruised and hurt no more.

And the creatures downstream, to whom he was a stranger, cried, "See a miracle! A creature like ourselves, yet he flies! See the messiah, come to save us all!"

And the one carried in the current said, "I am no more messiah than you. The river delights to lift us free, if only we dare let go. Our true work is this voyage, this adventure."

But they cried the more, "Savior!" all the while clinging to the rocks, and when they looked again he was gone, and they were left alone making legends of a savior.

— from Illusions by Richard Bach

**tumbling.dice** · 08-02-2021, 10:01 AM

Also...

And when the throng pressed him [Donald Shimoda, a 20th century "messiah"] with its woes, beseeching him to heal for it and learn for it and feed it nonstop from his understanding and to entertain it with his wonders, he smiled upon the multitude and said pleasantly unto them, “I quit.”

For a moment the multitude was stricken dumb with astonishment.

And he said unto them, “If a man told God that he wanted most of all to help the suffering world, no matter the price to himself, and God answered and told him what he must do, should the man do as he is told?”

“Of course, Master!” cried the many. “It should be pleasure for him to suffer the tortures of hell itself, should God ask it!”

“No matter what those tortures, nor how difficult the task?”

“Honor to be hanged, glory to be nailed to a tree and burned, if so be that God has asked,” said they.

“And what would you do,” the Master said unto the multitude. “if God spoke directly to your face and said, ‘I command that you be happy in the world, as long as you live.’ What would you do then?”

And the multitude was silent, not a voice, not a sound was heard upon the hillsides, across the valleys where they stood.

And the Master said unto the silence, “In the path of our happiness shall we find the learning for which we have chosen this lifetime. So it is that I have learned this day, and choose to leave you to walk your own path, as you please.”

And he went his way through the crowds and left them, and he returned to the everyday world of men and machines.

— from Illusions by Richard Bach

**Meliai** · 08-02-2021, 10:18 AM

Jesus is just alright with me though

If that quote means anything, if someone named Jesus actually said it, I think it would just mean that no one can come to God but through love, because Jesus preached a message of pure love

But I dislike the idea of God being a parent. Seems like someone with daddy issues came up with this whole "He is Father" thing
And if God is the father why is he a single dad anyways.. where the feminine divine at.

**Jessica** · 08-02-2021, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by Meliai View Post

Jesus is just alright with me though

If that quote means anything, if someone named Jesus actually said it, I think it would just mean that no one can come to God but through love, because Jesus preached a message of pure love

But I dislike the idea of God being a parent. Seems like someone with daddy issues came up with this whole "He is Father" thing
And if God is the father why is he a single dad anyways.. where the feminine divine at.

Yeah, that's the kind of "correction" A Course In Miracles makes to quotes like that.

And I agree with you on the second part here. The parent thing seems a mechanism to make religion about control.

**Osquirrell** · 08-02-2021, 12:27 PM

Jesus is just the head mail carrier like Newman. There are plenty others that work for the lords postal system.. Jesus also appreciate if ya use other services as he much more busy ..

List of Saint
Jude
Anthony
Mary
Paul

**Din Djarin** · 08-02-2021, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by the Riddler View Post

But yeah, maybe he wasn't so bad himself and the church altered his words, who knows... So maybe he was one of the good guys. There's nothing good about the claim that you need to accept Jesus, though. That's a man...that's not God. You wouldn't center your life around anybody but yourself and you shouldn't. YOU are as important and Holy as ANYBODY and always will be!

I'll burn in Hell before I worship anybody but God. And not because I lust for God's favor, but because God is Gorgeous.

"It's better to reign in Hell than to serve in Heaven!"

**neonspectraltoast** · 08-02-2021, 02:15 PM

Yeah, you know, I tried to say, anybody who is a being of love is okay with me.

There are no kings, though. A perfect king who knows the answer to everything, who makes it so there is no strife and no sadness, no passion, might as well be a computer.

The human is completely Godly and not something to be abandoned.

I think I would tend to agree with Illusions, but it is again a lowly tome of words. I am at peace with the Great Spirit that is within me, and true spirituality is not complex. It isn't a riddle. It is within us all and before us all, always.

**neonspectraltoast** · 08-02-2021, 04:36 PM

Trust is fundamental. The Omnimax knows who can be trusted. Many who profess cannot. Outwardly, they are lambs; inwardly they are as ravenous wolves. They preach Christ and compete for glory, dreaming of the worst devices to be implemented on their rivals.

Who are the Omnimax, as all beings are.

**tumbling.dice** · 08-03-2021, 12:20 AM

Originally posted by Meliai View Post

And if God is the father why is he a single dad anyways.. where the feminine divine at.

Well, if I understand correctly, he impregnated a teenage virgin girl without her consent. And she was married at that, thus violating the 7th commandment. And there is no record of him providing any kind of support to Jesus and his mother. Then he let his kid be tortured and executed, though he could have effortlessly prevented it.

He was pretty much a dick.

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