Male nuns and sisters?

[Matthew Mussolini]

Are there convents of male nuns and sisters , or do you think there ever will be?

(People who on their birth certificate were identified as male I mean).

Would you support such a movement or convent, possibly be interested in joining?

Or perhaps a mix of people who once identified as male , in the same community with females, who all identify as Religious sisters or nuns?

Why or why not?

I used to work each summer at a Carmelite convent in Houston Minnesota with nuns and Religious sisters. I had the mother superior slap me in the face once for blaspheming, and got booted for drinking the sacristy wine without it being consecrated. That was years ago when I had demons.

Father David of that convent was actually a former Trappist Monk, who is the exorcist of the Diocese.

I actually lost consciousness during one of the exorcisms he performed on me, ( but pretty sure that was a side effect of the benzo I was prescribed at the time).

I also was praying once in my Carmelite cell, got so angry at God for all the suffering in the world, and damnation of souls (which I believed in at the time) that I lost consciousness from rage!



They went from thinking I would be a priest or Bishop to thinking I was possessed!

There were more positive experiences at the convent than negative, but definitely not my place!

(Also, there is an old joke:. Is it okay to fall in love with a nun? Answer: Yes, just make sure you don't get into the habit! . )

Choose the answer in the poll you lean towards most.

[Audiogen]

I'm not up to speed on this thread so this might not fit in the flow of the convo but a few days ago I used a gender neutral bathroom which had multiple stalls, this was the first time I used such a bathroom with the opposite sex and there was a woman taking a dump while I was taking a piss and she said between a normal talking voice and shouting something to the effect of "... That's why I keep my asshole clean".

It was quite unsettling, to go from being under the impression that women do not poop to now under the impression that women shout while they poop is shocking to say the least.

[Youfreeme]

she was def a trans woman

[Din Djarin]

Was she shouting that to you? Or just randomly? Or was there someone else?!

[Matthew Mussolini]

An order of queer and trans 'nuns' in San Francisco take on an unholy year

For more than 40 years, the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, an order of queer and transgender nuns, have pursued their mission to “to promulgate universal joy and to expiate stigmatic guilt”.

Beings that Mussolini is the reason Francis of Assisi is patron Saint of Italy, my confirmation name is Francis of Assisi, I spent 6 months with the "Franciscans of the Immaculate", and have seen WritersPanic clothed in a Franciscan Friar habit, (lookin like he could star as Friar Tuck ) I was hoping he might chime in.

He seems a bit unconventual for a Franciscan.

[Jessica]

Those are called monks.

[Matthew Mussolini]

Those are called monks.

Not if they identify as female. In 21st century America, many people who are male on their birth certificate, identify as female.

Liberals in America , not all of them, but much much more so than conservatives, are insisting we identify them as female, if they insist that is their gender .

So, a religious community, full of these men, who are now women, would be full of religious sisters, nuns!

You understand?

[Jessica]

Oh, well yes. Then that isn't a male nun o_O

[Matthew Mussolini]

Oh, well yes. Then that isn't a male nun o_O

Without a sex change, many of these nuns would have a penis. So, yes, they are male nuns in that sense, but they, and liberals don't identify them as male nuns, but female. Agreed!

[Jessica]

Without a sex change, many of these nuns would have a penis. So, yes, they are male nuns in that sense, but they, and liberals don't identify them as male nuns, but female. Agreed!

Making it a liberal vs. conservative things indicates that you are brainwashed by the elite ;-)

[Matthew Mussolini]

Making it a liberal vs. conservative things indicates that you are brainwashed by the elite ;-)

Oh , I have met conservative homosexuals and know a conservative transgender. (Primarily based on their immigration views).

I understand it is found in both parties. But liberal politicians in America by far BY FAR push the transgender agenda more than conservatives.

We are talking like WAY MORE , so much it isn't even funny.

But I do understand transgender people are in both parties. But in America, it is so soon friggin obvious who the vast majority rally behind.

Nobody fights the transgender agenda more than conservatives, so in that sense, it can be a liberal conservative issue.

The idea that a person can choose their gender is in it's essence and intrinsic nature, a liberal Doctrine!

[Jessica]

The whole thing is brainwashing. The liberals who push it, the conservatives who push the idea that liberals push it. Anyone who even identifies as either a liberal or conservative.. is brainwashed :-)

[Matthew Mussolini]

Would you say the intrinsic nature + essence of the idea and tradition that one can choose to be a different gender (than what is on their birth certificate,) is more liberal than conservative, in the sense that liberal politicians and judges push the transgender agenda far FAR more frequently, zealously, and passionately than conservatives (as a general rule)?

[Matthew Mussolini]

That said, I don't think being in favor of the transgender agenda is liberal or conservative, but in the context I'm speaking of, in the sense of what I'm saying, and insofar as you are speaking of it from that perspective, it is a liberal vs conservative issue.

[WritersPanic]

Beings that Mussolini is the reason Francis of Assisi is patron Saint of Italy, my confirmation name is Francis of Assisi, I spent 6 months with the "Franciscans of the Immaculate", and have seen WritersPanic clothed in a Franciscan Friar habit, (lookin like he could star as Friar Tuck ) I was hoping he might chime in.

He seems a bit unconventual for a Franciscan.

Francis published rules for 3 orders. 1st order are priests, 2nd order are nuns and 3rd order are laymen and laywomen. So this group can lay claim to the 3rd order if they so choose. However, most 3rd order Franciscans receive no quarter in Vatican City. The 3rd order was originally an experimental construct so that Christianity could be explored (and hopefully advanced) in real-world circumstances with real people. So they are not beholding to the Pope if they so choose.

This is one place where Catholicism has an odd loophole. While they don't support it, they will take tithes from it and they will sell all the documents needed for modern mass celebrations, even with no actual priests in the order. Priests are sworn to the church and parishioners are part of the package. However, 3rd order Franciscans can have men, women or both in the top seat. They can also marry and have families, jobs and ministries.

I question the validity of placing Francis as the patron saint of a country. What he's known for is being the patron saint of innocence and circumstances. Or better, a list: Francis is the patron of animals and ecology. He is also considered the patron against dying alone, against arson, patron of the Franciscan Order, of families, peace, needleworkers, and merchants, and a number of religious congregations.

So among other things, Francis was a tree hugger!

One thing I am also sure of, Francis would never have wanted a massive basilica in the Vatican. It's an abomination. He was sworn to poverty, a challenge for 3rd order Franciscans.

And I'm probably fatter than Friar Tuck.

[Matthew Mussolini]

Francis published rules for 3 orders. 1st order are priests, 2nd order are nuns and 3rd order are laymen and laywomen. So this group can lay claim to the 3rd order if they so choose. However, most 3rd order Franciscans receive no quarter in Vatican City. The 3rd order was originally an experimental construct so that Christianity could be explored (and hopefully advanced) in real-world circumstances with real people. So they are not beholding to the Pope if they so choose.

This is one place where Catholicism has an odd loophole. While they don't support it, they will take tithes from it and they will sell all the documents needed for modern mass celebrations, even with no actual priests in the order. Priests are sworn to the church and parishioners are part of the package. However, 3rd order Franciscans can have men, women or both in the top seat. They can also marry and have families, jobs and ministries.

I question the validity of placing Francis as the patron saint of a country. What he's known for is being the patron saint of innocence and circumstances. Or better, a list: Francis is the patron of animals and ecology. He is also considered the patron against dying alone, against arson, patron of the Franciscan Order, of families, peace, needleworkers, and merchants, and a number of religious congregations.

So among other things, Francis was a tree hugger!

One thing I am also sure of, Francis would never have wanted a massive basilica in the Vatican. It's an abomination. He was sworn to poverty, a challenge for 3rd order Franciscans.

And I'm probably fatter than Friar Tuck.

Well, great post! The 20th century Sawdust Caesar who created Vatican City State, and elevated Francis of Assisi to be patron Saint of his beloved country, did spend twelve years lost , hidden in a box in a Franciscan Friars, his favorite Saint, his favorite order.

I wonder if that was all accidentally done or if the corpse was brought to the Franciscans on the basis of the dead Caesar's love for Francis.

In my mind, that was like a sign of his entering into the Franciscan order posthumously. He hung upside down with Clara. Saint Clara was the best friend of Francis, and Poor Claire's are basically a female branch of Franciscan, wouldn't you agree?

I'd say you are correct, Francis would not be fond of Saint Peter's basilica, but he did rebuild some incredible structures (Churches) when he misunderstood the voice "rebuild my house (Church)."

I suppose you are also correct , he should not be patron Saint of a nation, because he was the opposite of a politician.

However, it is quite amazing, that out of all the Italian Popes, great Theologians, and Saints of Italy (the country with the most Saints), Francis of Assisi and Catherine of Siena are patron saints of Italy.

Catherine of Siena makes sense.

Not the Poor uneducated beggar who hugged lepers, lived in leper colonies, wore beggar robe, stripped down naked to follow the naked Christ in public.

[WritersPanic]

I was speaking of the Basilica of St. Francis. He would not have wanted such a thing. I made a mistake, it's in Assisi, not Vatican City.
But it is massive. Much like Christ would never have wanted a holiday let alone one based on greed.

[Matthew Mussolini]

WritersPanic
I'm going to google that "massive" basilica. Yeah, a massive basilica or any massive luxurious structure, or luxurious anything, is completely opposite of what Francis stood for as a lover of lady poverty.

And yes, Christmas is kind of a joke. I don't know of Christ objecting to Holidays in his honor being likely though!

Jesus was born in a barn, a carpenter, said "blessed are the poor in spirit", and lived a very humble life in many ways.

So, you have a point there.

But he did NOT object to people calling him Lord, prostrating before him, or even worshipping him. He also did a lot to draw attention to himself, and Doctrines which were a bit narcissistic, like "Those who have seen me have seen the Father, if you do not eat the flesh and drink the blood of the son of man you have no life in you".

He also praised the woman who kissed his feet, washed them with her tears, dried them with her hair, and he did not object to costly perfumed oil being poured upon his head.

He also turned water into an alcoholic beverage at a party.

I could see him delighting in a Holiday that drew attention to him and honored him.

But Christmas draws much of the wrong kind of attention, is a time of spending lots of money, materialism, non Christian traditions, gluttony, consumerism, and doesn't honor Christ as he would want to be honored, and is definitely a joke of a "celebration of Christ's birthday".

It's also a terrible time of year with the most suicides, and Bethlehem gets very cold December 25, so it's likely he wasn't born in a barn and laid in a manger at those temperatures, or that the Shepherds were out and about, or the three Kings , following the star, sleeping outside sometimes (I would think).

So, Christmas is a Joke!

[6-eyed]

I voted, "I lean towards be against the idea." Because this is the most neutral position on the ballot. As I am neither for or against it.

Catholics have abused God's name for their own self serving interests ever since they demanded families pay the church money to get their loved ones out of Purgatory and into Heaven.

[Jessica]

Would you say the intrinsic nature + essence of the idea and tradition that one can choose to be a different gender (than what is on their birth certificate,) is more liberal than conservative, in the sense that liberal politicians and judges push the transgender agenda far FAR more frequently, zealously, and passionately than conservatives (as a general rule)?

The reason it's "more liberal" is that conservatives are more rooted in traditional Christian religion, that is all.

There is no "transgender agenda". There are transsexual people, and issues surrounding their existence that we need to solve, as a society. The agenda nonsense is right wing Christian propaganda.