Is it immoral to have premarital sex?

[6-eyed]

I think it is immoral. Sex ought to be deemed more sacred than casual. In a pre-contraceptive world, sex had some major consequences. I think societies generally do better when sex is taken more seriously and should be restricted to married lovers. However I do not believe premarital sex is as wrong as committing a a crime. It’s immoral on a higher level than using unfiltered swear words.

I’ve never been married, so all the sexual encounters I’ve had in my life were not moral. But I don’t feel bad about it. We are all sinners

[Audiogen]

No

Some people don't get married and others get divorced, so I don't think morality factors in with such contigencies.

Maybe a case could be made for it being immoral in a culture which has arranged marriages.

[lode]

I think it’s crazy to get married to someone and not know if you’re sexually compatible with them. Kinda seems like you’d just resent your spouse immediately. Much easier to figure that out before spending a lifetime regretting it. Sex is a major part of relationships.

We’re all sinners? Do you mean that euphemistically? I thought you were agnostic.

[Irminsul]

Sex only after marriage is a mythical religious construct and not something realistic in human nature. It's just another fear and control mechanism.

Even your intellectual knowledge and opinion on the subject only exists because it's been handed down by people, not because it's a pre determined character trait or any type of instinct you were born with, the fact everybody has thought about the subject galvanises and speaks volumes of this in its entirety.

To believe sex before marriage is "immoral" just means you've been sucked into religious teachings and doctrines, that's it.

[SpaceMan]

exactly what i was about to say

religious garbage

[Amerijuanican]

Yes we are all sinners, I think there are worse sins than two consensual mates having sex, esp. if unmarried.
A few other things determine compatibility to keep the desire going. Sucks that we can't acquire this knowledge early in life.

[Ampol]

What I will say on this matter is that children/teens are having sex far too young these days, and if.that makes me a prude so be it.

Sorry but when you read stories about 12 years old girls getting preggers (which is happening more and more these days), I think there is something wrong with the current Sexual Liberation and open meat market on Movies/TV and social media.

This in turn has led to a lot more women (of any age) being raped and sexually assaulted.

i am pretty much proud that most if not all female cousins and relatives (AFAIK, and I don't want to know any more) were Virgins before marriage, and now all have happy marriages and children.


People are free to do what they want (provided it's legal) but there is still no substitute for a moral upbringing and saving your self for marriage (which unfortunately doesn't apply to me) in order to have a long and happy relationship and family.

[6-eyed]

I think it’s crazy to get married to someone and not know if you’re sexually compatible with them. Kinda seems like you’d just resent your spouse immediately. Much easier to figure that out before spending a lifetime regretting it. Sex is a major part of relationships.

We’re all sinners? Do you mean that euphemistically? I thought you were agnostic.

It’s possible once you’re committed and married, and your sex life isn’t so good, there’s always things you both as a couple can work on. Sexual compatibility can perhaps align itself later.

Yeah I say ‘sinners’ as a euphemism. Most of my life I’ve been an atheist, but very recently I’ve gravitated toward Diesm. I think a belief in a higher power is good for preserving society and culture, so now I support that cause by believing there is a higher power to the universe, and that there’s much more to be discovered in the unknown. Agnosticism is for pussies who aren’t committed to their beliefs and beat around the bush.

[JoeKing]

It's only true if that's your belief. It's not mine so I'm good.

[Jessica]

disagree... however, i do agree with part of the essence of this, and some of what Ampol said.

"sex education" needs to be replaced with "relationship education", of which sex is one part.

[lode]

It’s possible once you’re committed and married, and your sex life isn’t so good, there’s always things you both as a couple can work on. Sexual compatibility can perhaps align itself later.

Yeah I say ‘sinners’ as a euphemism. Most of my life I’ve been an atheist, but very recently I’ve gravitated toward Diesm. I think a belief in a higher power is good for preserving society and culture, so now I support that cause by believing there is a higher power to the universe, and that there’s much more to be discovered in the unknown. Agnosticism is for pussies who aren’t committed to their beliefs and beat around the bush.

I agree to the extent that the best sex I’ve ever had with a person has never been my first. But there’s probably a limit to which that could be improved. From good to great, but bad is only getting to mediocre.

What if you discover on wedding night she’s truly asexual? She does it as a chore, but won’t open up about it because she’s so repressed to agree to 19th century dating standards. What if she discovers he lasts 45 seconds. She doesn’t mention this is a problem and goes on to resent him. I could go on, but I just see problems here.

Have you considered that your political views could be influencing your religious ones? Fine if they are, you gotta do you. Just something to entertain. My father converted to deism and the Christianity after a lifetime of Atheism.

[Din Djarin]

It's only true if that's your belief. It's not mine so I'm good.

I agree with this. Morals are a human construct and they can differ per person or group of people (obviously). So it depends on one's own morals. My morals do not involve religious principles. They could coincide with other peoples religious principles though. But not in this instance.

Amerijuanican
Sin is bogus btw. You only see us all as sinners since you apparently buy into that concept.

[Amerijuanican]

Yes Asmo, you are right. As always.
Sin is bogus. Because I buy into that concept. (sc..)
That connection in my soul that I feel when I do something morally wrong, is all in my head. lol
You should be a King.

[Din Djarin]

@Amerijuanican
What a bull reaction. Better say nothing then...

No, sin is not bogus because you buy into that concept. Sin is bogus because it is an invented concept on itself. When you feel wrong about something that is not all in your head, that is not what I was saying at least. At all.. If you wanna dismiss what I say as bogus at least do it for the right reasons...
When you feel wrong or guilty about something that can be legitimite and valid. That it really is a sin however is totally unneccessary to connect to it. You can for all I care, but it is then because you see it as a sin.

[Din Djarin]

Yeah I say ‘sinners’ as a euphemism. Most of my life I’ve been an atheist, but very recently I’ve gravitated toward Diesm. I think a belief in a higher power is good for preserving society and culture, so now I support that cause by believing there is a higher power to the universe, and that there’s much more to be discovered in the unknown.

I often consider myself a deist, technically I am agnostic. But when I consider if there's something like a god out there I don't gravitate towards the christian perception of it, so I would ask you why, as someone who was atheist most of his life, connect the belief in sin to the possibility of there being a deity? Do you look at this deity from a crhistian perception? If not, why connect the christian concept of sin to it?

Agnosticism is for pussies who aren’t committed to their beliefs and beat around the bush.

Except if their belief is that its only a possibility But... seems to me that people do not commit to 'agnosticism', its not a belief or belief system, it is a definition. I don't identify as an agnost or go around calling myself one. It's simply the term that applies to someone who believes the existing deistic concepts are farfetched and unwarranted, but does not reject the possibility. Seems roughly how you see it as well: there's much more to be discovered in the unknown. Except, I personally also consider the possibility there might be something like a deity, but there's nothing to discover about it during this life. It stands apart from our beliefs, thoughts and wishes what It might be. Just because we can think about and believe in something like it, doesn't HAVE TO mean anything.

[Undies]

i can't even wrap my head around how it could be considered immoral. sure, it could be done immorally, but that doesn't mean it's automatically immoral. to me, for something to be immoral it generally has to somehow harm someone, and in that way most sex is entirely neutral, regardless of the completely unrelated concept of marriage.

[Amerijuanican]

I often consider myself a deist, technically I am agnostic. But when I consider if there's something like a god out there I don't gravitate towards the christian perception of it, so I would ask you why, as someone who was atheist most of his life, connect the belief in sin to the possibility of there being a deity? Do you look at this deity from a crhistian perception? If not, why connect the christian concept of sin to it?



Except if their belief is that its only a possibility But... seems to me that people do not commit to 'agnosticism', its not a belief or belief system, it is a definition. I don't identify as an agnost or go around calling myself one. It's simply the term that applies to someone who believes the existing deistic concepts are farfetched and unwarranted, but does not reject the possibility. Seems roughly how you see it as well: there's much more to be discovered in the unknown. Except, I personally also consider the possibility there might be something like a deity, but there's nothing to discover about it during this life. It stands apart from our beliefs, thoughts and wishes what It might be. Just because we can think about and believe in something like it, doesn't HAVE TO mean anything.

So, where do you draw the line as far as right from wrong?
Do you believe in murder as well?

[Audiogen]

I agree with this. Morals are a human construct and they can differ per person or group of people (obviously). So it depends on one's own morals.

The problem with moral relativism is taken to it's logical conclusion than the idea of morality is rendered meaningless.


Cue your Big Lebowski nihilist quote :P