Any true crime fans out there?

[PacificDude]

I love true crime books and movies. I like to try to solve the mystery of who was guilty and who was not. Case in point: Miss Lizzie Borden. Guilty as fuck. But she walked away not only a free woman, but a very wealthy one (she inherited the bulk of her wealthy father's legacy.)

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It would appear that crime does pay big time! Check out the mansion she bought after being found innocent of murdering her father and step mother! My, my, my...

Lizzie Borden took an axe
And gave her mother forty whacks
When she saw what she had done
She gave her father forty-one

[Din Djarin]

What puts the true in true crime? I like to connect it to grue(some), esp in regards to the fans
The more gruesome we are confronted with crime the more clear it gets if we really are fans of the essence of crime, right?
So, child rape, mass murder, animal mistreatment, genocide, grossly polluting the environment to save big money, etc. etc. If one isn't into that stuff, can they really be called a true crime fan?

[PacificDude]

What puts the true in true crime? I like to connect it to grue(some), esp in regards to the fans
The more gruesome we are confronted with crime the more clear it gets if we really are fans of the essence of crime, right?
So, child rape, mass murder, animal mistreatment, genocide, grossly polluting the environment to save big money, etc. etc. If one isn't into that stuff, can they really be called a true crime fan?

I tend to narrow it down to one-on-one human murder. Jack the Ripper, Lizzie Borden, O.J. Simpson, etc. I'm not talking the holocaust here. I like mystery. And there is no mystery in the holocaust (we know who did it). Is it possible Lizzie Borden really was innocent? And who was Jack the Ripper?

Also, how many people really believe O.J. Simpson played no part in the murder of his ex-wife Nicole Brown or her friend Ronald Goldman? I wasn't fooled for a second. But politics played a huge part in his "not guilty" verdict - same as w/Lizzie Borden. Women (at that time) were considered incapable of such unspeakable acts. Plus she used to be a Bible school teacher! But I get where you're coming from :-)

[Din Djarin]

I was being faceteous, I admit. We don't call it true crime over here in the Netherlands and I tend to take these terms quite literally at first instance :P
But.. that way I would also rather not call myself a true crime fan, as the truth/essence of crime can be quite nasty.
I do like mystery solving and detectives as well though, but those terms are much better imo.
I have btw been massively saturated with detectives for some years. Used to enjoy many mainly north west european ones (mainly british, scandinavian and some french like Maigret for example), besides as enjoying stuff like Murder she wrote or Agatha Christi stuff before that.
Now I avoid them. Perhaps some time i will get in the mood for that kind of tv again.
I still enjoy gruesome stuff as a proper theme in musical (or book, but now im talking in theory: its mostly music these days) form, but more because of its unconventional thinking and the artists freedom to take it too seriously or even glorify stuff like ritual sacrifice or truly living by ones own standards (nature's right of the strongest for example) than for shock value or cosying up on the couch watching a good murder getting solved. Which was fun but got old for me. I watched a lot though: Inspector Morse, Midsomer Murders, Frost, Dalziel & Pascoe, etc.
Are you familiar with any of these?

[PacificDude]

I was being faceteous, I admit. We don't call it true crime over here in the Netherlands and I tend to take these terms quite literally at first instance :P
But.. that way I would also rather not call myself a true crime fan, as the truth/essence of crime can be quite nasty.
I do like mystery solving and detectives as well though, but those terms are much better imo.
I have btw been massively saturated with detectives for some years. Used to enjoy many mainly north west european ones (mainly british, scandinavian and some french like Maigret for example), besides as enjoying stuff like Murder she wrote or Agatha Christi stuff before that.
Now I avoid them. Perhaps some time i will get in the mood for that kind of tv again.
I still enjoy gruesome stuff as a proper theme in musical (or book, but now im talking in theory: its mostly music these days) form, but more because of its unconventional thinking and the artists freedom to take it too seriously or even glorify stuff like ritual sacrifice or truly living by ones own standards (nature's right of the strongest for example) than for shock value or cosying up on the couch watching a good murder getting solved. Which was fun but got old for me. I watched a lot though: Inspector Morse, Midsomer Murders, Frost, Dalziel & Pascoe, etc.
Are you familiar with any of these?

I was more into reading books, although I appreciated well made movie thrillers like Silence of the Lambs. Also, that Zodiac movie freaked me out big time! Again, because they never did positively identify him - even though I am sure he must be dead by now. I hope ;-)

[Matthew Mussolini]

I love true crime books and movies. I like to try to solve the mystery of who was guilty and who was not. Case in point: Miss Lizzie Borden. Guilty as fuck. But she walked away not only a free woman, but a very wealthy one (she inherited the bulk of her wealthy father's legacy.)

TrueCrime2.jpg


TrueCrimeLizzieBorden3.png

It would appear that crime does pay big time! Check out the mansion she bought after being found innocent of murdering her father and step mother! My, my, my...

Lizzie Borden took an axe
And gave her mother forty whacks
When she saw what she had done
She gave her father forty-one

I got in trouble when my Dad caught me reading a "True Crime" book about Serial killers age 12.

Yeah, I dig true crime. Court TV was my favorite channel growing up.

I can't watch it anymore though because it reminds me too much of what I used to be like. I actually don't read about or watch anything related to serial killers anymore. I talk about them it seems a lot but that's because I pray to their victims and used to have the same vices that the entertainment industry enables.

But I no longer like to watch anything that involves people getting brutally murdered.

[neonspectraltoast]

I appreciate true crime when nothing else is on.

I naively read "Final Truth" by Pee Wee Gaskins once, though, and it was degrading in a very immediate way.

[neonspectraltoast]

Don't read it.

[Undies]

[PacificDude]

Don't read it.

I won't. Thanks for the warning :-)

[PacificDude]

I got in trouble when my Dad caught me reading a "True Crime" book about Serial killers age 12.

Yeah, I dig true crime. Court TV was my favorite channel growing up.

I can't watch it anymore though because it reminds me too much of what I used to be like. I actually don't read about or watch anything related to serial killers anymore. I talk about them it seems a lot but that's because I pray to their victims and used to have the same vices that the entertainment industry enables.

But I no longer like to watch anything that involves people getting brutally murdered.

Matthew Mussolini Damn, 12 years old? And I thought I was bad for reading about Lizzie Borden at 13... haha. I don't like the brutal aspects of these true crime books, I am more into the solving of the crime. Half the time the lawyers are talking out of their ass, and so I like to do a little extra research of my own.

I guess I should have gone to law school and become a lawyer? But I was not smart enough, plus I did not want to end up paying $100, 000 in student loans. So I just read the books - it's cheaper :-)

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[mallyboppa]

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https://www.explorethepast.co.uk/2016/09/monthly-mystery-who-put-bella-in-the-wych-elm/