Vegans make horrible parents and pet owners

[6-eyed]

A vegan couple were sentenced Wednesday to life in prison for the death of their malnourished 6-week-old baby boy, who was fed a diet largely consisting of soy milk and apple juice.

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna18574603

Man with the legal name "Sexy Vegan" accused of sexually assaulting his dog

https://nypost.com/2019/09/29/man-na...lting-his-dog/

A kitten who nearly died after its owners fed it a strict vegan diet was nursed back to health with 20 CCs of meat.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kitte...dies_n_3644213

(but I will say that this sentence from the article, which was deliberatly crafted this way, made me laugh:

"It turns out that a diet of potatoes, rice milk and pasta is bad for pussy")

[6-eyed]

Veganism - find a cure

[Amerijuanican]

I can't go without meat. If I try, I'm hungry all the time and not satisfied.

[OP1]

My personal experience is that there is a disproportionately high percentage of psychos/general extremists among vegans, but that doesn't mean sweeping generalizations always apply.

The parents whose son died: the mom should have been breast feeding the baby. I don't think giving him meat would have helped.

It's weird as hell for someone to be legally named "sexy vegan". Maybe he did do something to his dog, but just being accused of something doesn't mean that someone has done it. Even if he did do it, I don't see evidence that this crime is more prevalent among vegans.

Cat's can't be vegan or even vegetarian. Hardly the first case of ignorant pet owners making a bad decision that harmed their pet.

[Jessica]

Yeah there are a lot of nuts in that world.

But Scott Jurek, my favourite (vegan) ultrarunner, is an awesome parent. And, you know, runs 100+ mile races so pretty fit himself.

His little family is adorable and both kids can ski and run and hike. They look very healthy and happy.

I'm a vegetarian. When I tried being vegan, it DID impact my health. And after now observing the Jureks, I see why. Eating in a way that replaces the loss of dairy and eggs takes too much time, care and money, for me. But it can be done.

I now eat cheese and eggs, but non-dairy milk. (Oat or hemp seed)

[Undies]

I can't go without meat. If I try, I'm hungry all the time and not satisfied.

i'm generally like that too. like, i'll never fill up from a salad, or a veggie tray, or even a bunch of nuts or the other stuff they say is supposed to replace meat.

the exception is stuff like a vegan burger, or other vegan "meats". i eat just a little bit of that and i feel stuffed. but i feel like that's more about my body saying "what the fuck are you putting in me? stop it!" as opposed to being actually full.

[Jessica]

i'm generally like that too. like, i'll never fill up from a salad, or a veggie tray, or even a bunch of nuts or the other stuff they say is supposed to replace meat.

the exception is stuff like a vegan burger, or other vegan "meats". i eat just a little bit of that and i feel stuffed. but i feel like that's more about my body saying "what the fuck are you putting in me? stop it!" as opposed to being actually full.

What if it's a burger made out of beans and stuff, as opposed to fake meat?

I mean, I'm never trying to convince anyone. I get the same thing you and Juanican describe if I don't eat beans and chickpeas, so I can't help think it's just protein. But maybe some people do need it to be meat. I was brought up this way so my body has never compared.

I would never claim my roasted bean and chickpea creations would convince a meat eater, although I think they are wonderful. But I can definitely cook things that most people like and are filling and vegetarian. Not vegan, though. All contain eggs and cheese.

[Undies]

What if it's a burger made out of beans and stuff, as opposed to fake meat?

Well I've never filled up on beans, but I really don't know because I have no idea what the fake meat burgers are made of, could already be beans and stuff for all I know.

[Jessica]

Well I've never filled up on beans, but I really don't know because I have no idea what the fake meat burgers are made of, could already be beans and stuff for all I know.

Oh, okay. They're usually made of rehyratextured soydropholic mycroprotein
something like that :-)

I'm glad we had this discussion because I'm just in time to add bean burgers to the shopping order. And I haven't had a bean burger for ages. They're made out of beans.

I usually just roast several tins of pulses and then do various things with that. Actually though I get the unfulfilled thing if there isn't some form of bread involved.

[Undies]

Oh, okay. They're usually made of rehyratextured soydropholic mycroprotein
something like that :-)

That could be the problem, it sounds like something you would make synthetic clothes out of.

[Jessica]

Yeah I don't tend to eat it anymore. I don't think it's particularly terrible, as some people do. But I prefer chickpeas.

[Dax]

All growing children need protein which isn't found in spinach, lettuce, and such like stuff.

Dogs don't like vegetables. If they did they wouldn't have canine teeth. They would be toothless.

Apart from that I can't imagine having a BBQ without meat or chicken or fish.

[Jessica]

All growing children need protein which isn't found in spinach, lettuce, and such like stuff.

Dogs don't like vegetables. If they did they wouldn't have canine teeth. They would be toothless.

Apart from that I can't imagine having a BBQ without meat or chicken or fish.

If people want to eat meat, I don't care. I'm not trying to say you shouldn't. But I WILL correct people saying ridiculous things like this, as if vegetarians/vegans eat exclusively salad.

Lentils, chickpeas, other legumes, nuts.. aaaall have protein.
Peas are also high protein. Rice. Quinoa. Meat is not essential for protein. If you want to criticise veganism, the better arguement is b12.

I agree that dogs should eat meat.. but sorry, what? Toothless? So vegetarian animals.. don't have teeth? Is that seriously what you think?

[Dax]

I find vegan food totally unappetising and extremely boring. I could go without red meat but not chicken and fish. Lentils, chickpeas, other legumes, nuts may all have protein but once again I can't see myself looking forward to a plateful for supper. Same goes for peas, rice or a bowl of grain.

I'll well aware that most animals have teeth. I was talking about dogs not herbivorous animals.

[duckman]

The first link is from 2007. It reminds me of what happened in NZ a few years before. This woman did breast feed her baby. Because there was no B12 in her diet, there was none in her milk.

https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/lawreport/doctors-or-parents/3529504

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/religious-couple-jailed-for-5-years-for-sons-manslaughter/ZNBY72AP26BYJSM66O4P4OFZNI/