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    Eye Contact

    I know some people get a bit weird about the concept of making eye contact, and seem to file it in the same category as making small talk, or chatting to strangers. And I do understand that it can be troubling for autistic people - I actually consider it one of my "slightly autism-y" traits, that I haven't always found it easy to make eye contact.

    But I think society could benefit from more of it.

    I'm not talking about making forced, sustained eye contact, that's weird. But throughout interactions, especially during things like transactions with strangers in shops etc. making natural eye contact makes a big difference to how those transactions feel.

    Sometimes when I'm at work, I will sell something to a customer who does not look up at my face even once. They'll be looking down at whatever they're buying on the counter, or to their wallet, then down at the money in their hand, at the change I give them.. anywhere but up at the face of the person they're interacting with. I have also been the customer, and experienced it from the shopkeeper.

    And I don't know for sure, but having come to this realisation, and knowing how I used to be and feel, I think I was probably one of these people. But making a conscious point of eye contact doesn't take long before it feels very natural. Come to the counter, put the object down, look the person in the eye. Look down to find wallet/cash/card, look up and make eye contact, look away to put the item in your bag or whatever, say goodbye with eye contact. Like, it only has to be a two second glance, but the difference is noticeable. And now because I do it, I see how often the other person has their eyes fixed downwards, avoiding it.

    And when the person returns it, I see a kind of flash of light in their face because we're not scared of each other, we've connected in this tiny but interestingly important way.


    Another scenario, and one I still find difficult, is walking along the street and seeing someone else walking the opposite way, towards me. As I get closer, my urge is to glance to the side, away from the side they will pass me on, or down, or straight ahead. There is a feeling that accompanies this, of slight awkwardness.

    What I've discovered is that if I overcome it, and go to make eye contact as we pass, almost all of the time I don't have to worry anyway because they are avoiding in the way I usually do. The times where both of you look, and just make that brief connection, almost all of the time we both smile and there is no awkwardness, just a pleasant warmth of feeling.

    And the more I've thought about this and observed it, the more I think it's something we should all do more of. I hope at least that this post will encourage you to notice what your level of eye contact avoidance is. Because I was worse at it when I was more socially insecure, but I think that getting better actually has helped me to feel more confident, rather than the confidence coming first.

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    #2
    Originally posted by Jessica View Post
    I know some people get a bit weird about the concept of making eye contact, and seem to file it in the same category as making small talk, or chatting to strangers. And I do understand that it can be troubling for autistic people - I actually consider it one of my "slightly autism-y" traits, that I haven't always found it easy to make eye contact.

    But I think society could benefit from more of it.

    I'm not talking about making forced, sustained eye contact, that's weird. But throughout interactions, especially during things like transactions with strangers in shops etc. making natural eye contact makes a big difference to how those transactions feel.

    Sometimes when I'm at work, I will sell something to a customer who does not look up at my face even once. They'll be looking down at whatever they're buying on the counter, or to their wallet, then down at the money in their hand, at the change I give them.. anywhere but up at the face of the person they're interacting with. I have also been the customer, and experienced it from the shopkeeper.

    And I don't know for sure, but having come to this realisation, and knowing how I used to be and feel, I think I was probably one of these people. But making a conscious point of eye contact doesn't take long before it feels very natural. Come to the counter, put the object down, look the person in the eye. Look down to find wallet/cash/card, look up and make eye contact, look away to put the item in your bag or whatever, say goodbye with eye contact. Like, it only has to be a two second glance, but the difference is noticeable. And now because I do it, I see how often the other person has their eyes fixed downwards, avoiding it.

    And when the person returns it, I see a kind of flash of light in their face because we're not scared of each other, we've connected in this tiny but interestingly important way.


    Another scenario, and one I still find difficult, is walking along the street and seeing someone else walking the opposite way, towards me. As I get closer, my urge is to glance to the side, away from the side they will pass me on, or down, or straight ahead. There is a feeling that accompanies this, of slight awkwardness.

    What I've discovered is that if I overcome it, and go to make eye contact as we pass, almost all of the time I don't have to worry anyway because they are avoiding in the way I usually do. The times where both of you look, and just make that brief connection, almost all of the time we both smile and there is no awkwardness, just a pleasant warmth of feeling.

    And the more I've thought about this and observed it, the more I think it's something we should all do more of. I hope at least that this post will encourage you to notice what your level of eye contact avoidance is. Because I was worse at it when I was more socially insecure, but I think that getting better actually has helped me to feel more confident, rather than the confidence coming first.

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    One Of The Best Posts I Have Read In Years......



    Cheers Glen.

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    • Jessica
      Jessica commented
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      Quite an accolade!

    #3
    I'll do the eye contact at a shop, particularly the goodbye eye contact.

    You lost me on the passing the people on the street one... I'm not going to be smiling at any strangers I'm passing on the street and I've never seen anyone smile at me that I've made eye contact with. I'll occasionally give a cursory greeting which sometimes people respond to, sometimes not.

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    • Jessica
      Jessica commented
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      I was thinking about that after I wrote it, and it doesn't so much count when it's a big place and there are lots of people. But then I never felt the "awkwardness", either. It's when there are very few people. When the avoiding would a notable thing.

    • Jessica
      Jessica commented
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      Obviously like Glen I live in a very small place so I smile and say hello to most people!
      It's always a thing when the busy season starts and lots of city people who just look at me a bit weird :-)

    • mallyboppa
      mallyboppa commented
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      I love it when people smile and say helo it makes me feel good ! so by the same token me smiling and saying hi must make others feel good also , Share the love guys I am sure it is infectious !!

    #4
    Originally posted by Audiogen View Post

    You lost me on the passing the people on the street one... I'm not going to be smiling at any strangers I'm passing on the street and I've never seen anyone smile at me that I've made eye contact with. I'll occasionally give a cursory greeting which sometimes people respond to, sometimes not.

    Tis Clear You Have Never Lived In An

    Australian Country Town.

    Eye Contact, Smiles, And Good Mornings Happen To Me Every Day......



    Cheers Glen.

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      #5
      Yeah, i'm all for brief eye contact. Just keep in mind some cultures consider it rude to make brief eye contact or people from different backgrounds may see it as a challenge which may lead to a duel.

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      • Tropical Breeze
        Tropical Breeze commented
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        Meliai Its almost happened a few times. In inner cities mainly. Giving someone brief eye contact can be met with aggression. Quick eye contact then looking straight ahead without looking down is best. Not uncommon to hear an aggressive "what the fuck are you looking at?!" "Do you have a problem?!" etc.

      • Meliai
        Meliai commented
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        Ohh that kinda duel..I was thinking more like a sword suddenly appeared in your hand or a gun holster on your hip ?
        Yeah I have found myself in places before where you just know it's best not to make eye contact lol

      • Jessica
        Jessica commented
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        Oh, that is interesting. I'd love to compare other aspects of cultures who differ on this.

      #6
      I was thinking about this in terms of homeless people the other day. It occurred to me people don't avoid eye contact with homeless people because they're callous, but more because for the most part humans are naturally inclined to be helpful and the minute you look into a homeless person's eyes you make that connection and see them as a real person and want to help. And since it can be difficult to know exactly how to help a homeless person, particularly in a place where you might encounter them everywhere, most people get into the habit of avoiding eye contact with them instead.

      I live in a very friendly culture, it comes pretty natural to me to make eye contact and acknowledge other people despite my not being the most outgoing person. I've had people comment on it when I've been in other places, about how friendly I am, and then they're like ohhhh you're southern, that makes sense lol

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        #7
        Originally posted by GLEN...... View Post


        Tis Clear You Have Never Lived In An

        Australian Country Town.

        Eye Contact, Smiles, And Good Mornings Happen To Me Every Day......



        Cheers Glen.
        Same here in the countryside and country village i grew up in and still visit frequently. And yes, significantly less in the bigger towns. The contrast is really noticable

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            #9
            I'm trying to master the art of eye contact with no teacher.

            Especially with women eye contact specifically mentioned in the A.B.G. thread.


            Not so much with men, unless there's a threat being displayed or verbalized from them.

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              #10
              Originally posted by Pete's Draggun View Post

              Not so much with men, unless there's a threat being displayed or verbalized from them.

              But what about just in an everyday interaction? Like a man in a bank or store or something.

              Because I'd assume that a man who avoids eye contact with another man in those scenarios was "afraid" of the other man.

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                #11
                I think this would be a favorite thread for our bud ■ @Hotwater

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                  #12
                  Originally posted by Jessica View Post

                  But what about just in an everyday interaction? Like a man in a bank or store or something.

                  Because I'd assume that a man who avoids eye contact with another man in those scenarios was "afraid" of the other man.
                  Hummmm.

                  I tend to ignore men with eye contact in every day interaction that I don't know.

                  Just a quick glance to acknowledge his existence and done.


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                  • Jessica
                    Jessica commented
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                    Makes sense. I'll have to observe more men interacting with men. It might be an area I don't understand :-)

                  • Pete's Draggun
                    Pete's Draggun commented
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                    Jessica
                    Please post your findings, I'm curious to know the results you come up with.

                  #13
                  Originally posted by Jessica View Post

                  Sometimes when I'm at work, I will sell something to a customer who does not look up at my face even once. They'll be looking down at whatever they're buying on the counter, or to their wallet, then down at the money in their hand, at the change I give them.. anywhere but up at the face of the person they're interacting with. I have also been the customer, and experienced it from the shopkeeper.



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                  Are you talking about male and female customers equally?

                  You would like all customers from both sets equally to make eye contact every transaction?

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                    #14
                    A remember a time when guys weren't allowed into pubs with sleeveless shirts becuase the bouncers knew other guys were just that more likely to pick fights with them if they had bare arms
                    ​​​​​​Some guys are just that primal, staring each other in the eye too long the same thing

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                      #15
                      Originally posted by Vanilla Gorilla View Post
                      ​​​​​​Some guys are just that primal, staring each other in the eye too long the same thing
                      Key words bolded.
                      a normal adult should understand the difference between that and what I'm talking about.

                      It's when the person is actively (but maybe subconsciously) avoiding any eye contact at all, during a "forced" interaction (meaning they want to buy something so have to interact with me). Once I noticed it, it feels pretty bizarre.
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                      Yes, I'm talking about male and female customers equally, but I am a woman and accept that I don't really know enough about how it works between two men.

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