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    Should gays be allowed to adopt?

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kids-of...-from-experts/

    Seems there’s a link to worse upbringings with children raised by same-sex parents. As much as I think every orphan deserves loving parents, I’m on the fence about whether gay couples should be encouraged to be pretend-breeders.

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      #3
      What A Nasty Piece Of Thread This Is....

      Expected Better From You 6-eyed



      Cheers Glen.

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        #4
        Originally posted by GLEN...... View Post
        What A Nasty Piece Of Thread This Is....

        Expected Better From You 6-eyed



        Cheers Glen.


        No Reply From You At This Point In Time.........So I Sent A PM....???'



        Cheers Glen.

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          #5
          Originally posted by 6-eyed View Post
          https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kids-of...-from-experts/

          Seems there’s a link to worse upbringings with children raised by same-sex parents. As much as I think every orphan deserves loving parents, I’m on the fence about whether gay couples should be encouraged to be pretend-breeders.
          The study you referenced was published in July 2012.

          I assume it was peer reviewed and even if it was gay marriage only became legal in the United states in 2005 in the state of Massachusetts, followed by shortly by Connecticut in 2006, and New Jersey in 2008.

          The study must have taken at least a few years to conduct (lets say it started in 2009) and didn't take into account the stability that marriage provides between same sex couples.

          If the study was conducted today between same sex married couples and reached the same conclusions, then perhaps we should question the veracity of adoptions.

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            #6
            Gays shouldn't be allowed to do anything.


            j/k ?? Cheers.

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              #7
              Gays should be allowed to be gay and human at the same time ( I didn't always feel like that but I grew up a bit ago )

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                #8
                As HotWater alluded to, this study was published in 2012, 3 years before same-sex marriages were legal nationwide.

                So there’s a fundamental flaw in the study methodology. Because at this point he’s comparing lgbt couples who have already been divorced, to parents who have never been divorced.

                This methodology problem is presented in your own article.

                Gary Gates, a researcher at the Williams Institute, a sexual orientation policy think tank at the University of California, Los Angeles, told LiveScience that a more fair comparison would've been of children of heterosexual or same-sex couples who were raised in similar homes, with no divorces, separations or foster care.

                "All he found is that family instability is bad for children and that's hardly groundbreaking or new," Gates, who was not involved in the research, told LiveScience.
                This study was also funded by several right wing institutions which opposed gay marriage. So this studies reason for cherry picking it’s day seems obvious.

                Since it’s only been 6 years, there is insufficient evidence to actually form that conclusion. Here’s a meta-analysis of 18 studies performed in 2015. The author mentions that the majority of studies conducted by gay right advocacy groups have demonstrated same or better outcomes on children with same sex parents, but there are fundamental problems in those studies as well.

                (paywall… dare I say Gaywall)

                https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/...9.2015.1033317


                Most gay parenting studies conclude that children raised by gay parents perform as well, if not better, than their counterparts in heterosexual families. This conclusion, which may or may not be true, is not scientifically warranted because of various limitations: Some results are misreported; most of the literature is exploratory and made up of small qualitative samples, biased data, and other research design failures; the studies concentrate on lesbian families; and outcome measures have been limited. Although these problems prevent scientific generalizations, social scientists have treated the preliminary, nonconclusive research as authoritative.
                Here’s one highlight of dozens of such articles.

                http://paa2019.populationassociation.org/uploads/191716

                The researchers found that children raised by same-sex couples had higher test scores in elementary and secondary school and were about 7 percent more likely to graduate from high school than children raised by different-sex couples.
                So you presented a news link to a decade old right wing think tank article that cherry picked some data, and the flaws in that approach are expressed in the OP article.

                TLDR: Bullshit basically. More research is needed, OP study is flawed.
                Last edited by lode; 10-30-2021, 12:57 PM.

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                • lode
                  lode commented
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                  Damn, I meant Coldwater.

                  See, I hate change as much as 6-eyed ?

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                How I feel when I near the end of a post where someone is just straight breaking it down for ol' 6

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                  #10
                  Anyways it sounds like the study points more to a worse outcome with kids who are raised in a single parent home

                  So the question is more - should a single person be allowed to adopt?

                  To which I say, yes, because I would think a loving, single parent home is still much more beneficial to a child than being shuffled around to various foster homes or living in a group home

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                    #11
                    Normally I'm unapologetic about the passages I write and the way I concoct them, but this time it's a different story. Reviewing the opening post, it seems to have a mean spirited vibe to it, and I apologize for the way I wrote it. It was intended to be a food-for-thought thread and discuss controversial stuff, which I made right after reading the CBS article. I wrote it last night feeling rather bitter with the dramas I'm dealing with offline. But it's no excuse to make it sound belittling to homosexual couples.

                    Further, I did not catch that the study was 9 years old, and had biased data. Therefore I believe it would be best if an unbiased study can be made regarding the topic of same-sex parenting can be conclusive. Problem with many studies like this is philosophical biases often interfere with honest conclusions.

                    All in all, I think children do best when they're raised by parental figures, rather than the orphan life. Ideally a masculine and feminine figure would be best for a well balanced upbringing. But that doesn't mean I think homosexuals should be forever barred from rearing children. Maybe a non-biased conclusive study for this subject is impossible. But I'll take a stand and take it back.

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                      #12
                      It's going to raise some ire in a few years. Monkey-see, monkey-do. What exactly is the effect of what is perceived as normal. Is there such a thing as sexual instinct, or do we just primarily do as we witness and try to please those closest to us?

                      Maybe we've crossed some population capacity where its healthy for gay to be the status quo and straights should be the anomaly.

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                        #13
                        Originally posted by 6-eyed View Post
                        https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kids-of...-from-experts/

                        Seems there’s a link to worse upbringings with children raised by same-sex parents. As much as I think every orphan deserves loving parents, I’m on the fence about whether gay couples should be encouraged to be pretend-breeders.

                        I just saw this thread

                        Other individuals might flip out about it
                        Me, I raise an eyebrow, "oh yeah, mmmm hmm" either he has got his girlfriend pregnant, had a pregnancy scare, or she has just started dropping hints and he's freaking out

                        And the way to deal with that is to find a small invisible group to you you are not going to have rebuttal with that you can have as a foundation and tell yourself 'at least I'm going to be a better parent than them"


                        Which is exactly the same kind of shit going on with the vaccinated/ unvaccinated at the moment. The unvaccinated are a small invisible group they can transfer their fears on rather than admitting current vaccines don't give 100% protection

                        You are a healthy hetero male with a temper above average, you are not going to handle those first 18 months all that well, the day to day constant crying, lack of sleep and worry about whether the little bub chokes on something all the time

                        That day to day, round the clock constant stress is something you've never had to handle before, and something she -, the wifey/girlfriend is just better designed at handling

                        So you have to plan ahead, not sleep in the same room often, take extended breaks, get the mother in law involved even if you hate her

                        Time to man up, like for real, not just pretend

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                          #14
                          Just back to the unvaccinated thing, it's also interesting how many in the unvaccinated crowd haven't handled it properly, they (we) let the smaller group of nutters take over, didn't identify or target head on and use the correct rhetoric for what is really happening

                          Ones like Rand Paul, all he really needed to do is wave his hand or snap his fingers as he is looking at the camera, looking at the home audience and say "wakey, wakey 95% isn't 100%, vaccinate everyone, and your vaccines still are going to give 100%, you are going to have to face that eventually"

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                            #15
                            Originally posted by 6-eyed View Post
                            Normally I'm unapologetic
                            dude please...everyone here knows how you feel by the shitty racist meme you posted after your OP......you need to grow up.....sad you think that is funny or postworthy to represent who you are..... ...


                            fun to watch you back pedal your thread though....again....good job....

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                            • 6-eyed
                              6-eyed commented
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                              Roughly 70% of black youth grow up fatherless in America. So there is some truth to it. Largely thanks to Biden’s 1994 crime bill, and welfare policies that pay higher benefits to unwedded households.
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