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    The Police !

    What are peoples opinions on this article ? I think it makes some good points !! (does that make me bad ? )


    Of the many admirable demands made by supporters of the Black Lives Matter movement, such as dismantling capitalism and making white people pay for centuries of vile oppression, none commended themselves to me more than the demand that we should defund the police. This is a hugely attractive proposition, I thought, as I watched the chief constable of Kent, Alan Pughsley, ‘take the knee’ in solidarity with people who want him abolished.
    I felt much the same upon hearing the words of Superintendent Andrew ‘Andy’ Bennett of Avon and Somerset Police, who watched as BLM protestors threw a statue of Edward Colston into the river. ‘Andy’ instructed his men to do nothing at all — because, as he explained, guarding the statue may have led to problems, and the last thing the police want is problems. Later, when asked what would happen to the people identified on camera for this act of public vandalism, he said: ‘We might ask some people to voluntarily attend a police station. But we haven’t got that far.’ No, indeed — don’t put yourself out, Andy, whatever you do. Defund now, then.
    The police do not do what we want them to do, and have not done so for a very long time. By ‘we’, I mean the vast mass of people who pay their wages through our taxes. We would quite like the police to catch people who break into our homes and steal things, for example. Currently, in England and Wales, 97 per cent of burglaries go unsolved, the success rate having halved since 2013. In other words, if you are burgled, it is next to useless ringing the filth — although if you’re really lucky I suppose they might offer you counselling. Better to assuage your anger than solve the crime.
    In response to the appalling stats, the Metropolitan Police commented that burglary presented ‘particular challenges’ in finding culprits. Does it? Well blow me down. Once again, don’t put yourselves out on our account, lads. Robbed of your wallet and mobile at knifepoint? No point ringing the police — again. Only 4 per cent of robberies in England and Wales in 2017 were solved. Had your car nicked? There is just a 2 per cent chance that the police will bring a prosecution.
    Police no longer do what we want them to do, like catching people who break into our homes
    However, shout politely, ‘If you don’t mind terribly, I think white lives matter too!’ and your chances of being apprehended and prosecuted are four times what they would be if you nicked someone’s car and more than twice as much as if you’d broken into someone’s house. The Lancashire old bill were hot on the trail of a bloke who flew pretty much exactly that slogan over a football match this week. A little late in the day they have come to the conclusion that he had not broken any law. I could have told you that.

    The police — or, at least, police chiefs — are never happier than when grandstanding on crimes which they think will bring them political cachet and thus the respect of the rest of our liberal elite. And there is no force more determinedly, hopelessly progressive than the Metropolitan Police. Last year we had the pleasure of seeing officers dancing with Extinction Rebellion protestors. How cheering this must have been to the thousands of Londoners whose working day had been sabotaged by the demonstrations. It was a bridge too far even for the government and the Met’s chief constable Cressida Dick was, uh, gently asked what the hell was going on.
    Neil Basu is the head of special ops at the Met. Amid controversy about comments by Boris Johnson such as comparing women who wore the burka with ‘letterboxes’, Basu said: ‘Every public figure who’s got a microphone and has got an opportunity to speak should take the opportunity to be bringing society together. The most important thing everybody should be aiming for is a socially cohesive, inclusive society.’ Perhaps, Neil. But your particular job is stopping crime, not social engineering. Basu then implied that if the current Prime Minister applied for a job with the Met, he wouldn’t get in.




    Basu also signs up to the asinine belief that the over-representation of black men in our prisons is the consequence not of greater wrongdoing on their part, but of ‘racial bias built into the very fabric of our institutions and society’. Why, then, are people of Indian and Chinese descent not also over-represented? Progressives cling to many expedient notions in order to keep afloat their berserk ideologies, but few have been as damaging either to a socially cohesive society, or indeed to the murder rate among young black men, than this transparent canard.
    The obsession with hate crimes, meanwhile, has become ludicrous. A couple of years ago I was reported to North Wales Police for making the insensitive and perhaps unforgivable joke that the Welsh language seemed to be short of a vowel or two. When I heard about this I was firstly perplexed and then a little angry. Who would bother the police about such an obviously trivial matter, I wondered? I thought about contacting the North Wales police and crime commissioner, Arfon Jones, to find out what response they might give to someone so egregiously wasting police time, until it became clear that the complainant was the North Wales police and crime commissioner, Arfon Jones.
    There’s no doubt in my mind that the creation of the fatuous job of police commissioner has increased the politicisation of the police. Humberside Police piled round to a bloke called Harry Miller’s workplace to lecture him about re-tweeting a humorous limerick about transgenderism. To Miller’s enormous credit, he fought his corner and got a High Court adjudication which decided that the police had unlawfully impinged on his right to freedom of expression. But what an arrant waste of valuable time.
    If you want the perfect example of political grandstanding by the police in their pursuit of wholly ectoplasmic — or indeed nonexistent — crimes, look no further than Operation Midland, the brainchild of the Met. The allegations of a fantasist, Carl Beech, against Edward Heath and other senior politicians played right into the Met’s hands: right-wing Tory establishment bastards sexually abusing our children! Sixteen months of investigation, the lives of many ruined and the dead defamed, all costing around £4.5 million and with not a single prosecution in result. The inquiry into this debacle identified 43 ‘key failings’ in the Met’s management of Operation Midland, which it said had been ‘hysterical and disproportionate’. You’re not kidding. The senior officers involved in this catastrophe have all since been promoted.
    It is scarcely a surprise that the police top brass have been co-opted into the woke sensibilities which afflict almost the entirety of our establishment. That it has happened after ten years of Conservative rule is, of course, a calamity in itself. But the police need to understand that the public is no more with them on their fashionable obsessions than it is behind the extreme-left causes espoused by Black Lives Matter. It is often said that the police cannot do their job without the consent of the general public. What they need to understand is that the ‘general public’ includes the rest of us. Indeed, it is largely the rest of us.
    I suppose we should feel a certain sympathy for the ordinary copper on the beat, if they still have something as recherché as a beat. It is undoubtedly the case that the reduction in police numbers has seriously hampered their ability to catch criminals. It is also beyond doubt that political correctness, imposed upon them from above, has meant that they are in danger — from their own side — when they try to fight crime.
    The most obvious example is the (mercifully temporary) cessation of stop and search, during which time street murders dramatically increased in our capital. It was a Conservative prime minister, Theresa May — a former home secretary — who wished to acquire solid anti-racist kudos from banning stop and search. Well, congrats, ma’am: more black lives were lost as a result. If a Conservative government cannot grasp that the police are losing the support of the majority of the people through their relentlessly progressive agenda, then who can?

    #2
    I'm in favor of reducing police budgets and reallocating funds to education, community outreach programs, public health, etc. Basically defund and reallocate to address the fundamental societal ills that lead to higher crime rates in the first place. Reduce crime at the source rather than increase police presence after the fact

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      #3
      All complaints made against a police department should go through a citizens review board, not through the department itself. I would give this board powers similar to a grand jury, as well as the authority to reprimand or fire officers who violate department policy.

      A big problem imo is that there are too many people in uniform that have no business being a cop. These are the people that like having authority the average citizens don't have, that enjoy intimidating others...bullies, basically. That is not what "public servant" means. Wearing a badge should bring about a sense of deep humility in the face of what is a solemn responsibility—enforcing the laws passed by a democratically chosen legislative body.

      If we defund the police departments who fills the void? I'm not clear on that.

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        #4
        Originally posted by tumbling.dice View Post

        If we defund the police departments who fills the void? I'm not clear on that.
        defunding the police isnt really referring to getting rid of police altogether. It simply means reducing funding to police departments and reallocating it to social services and employing unarmed specialists within the police department who are trained in social work, drug abuse, mental health, etc. Things of that nature

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          #5
          Originally posted by Meliai View Post

          defunding the police isnt really referring to getting rid of police altogether. It simply means reducing funding to police departments and reallocating it to social services and employing unarmed specialists within the police department who are trained in social work, drug abuse, mental health, etc. Things of that nature
          That sounds like the UK police (which really ) the article is referring to ! and most of our police are "unarmed specialists" Perhaps I was wrong to expect None UK residents to relate to the problems within the British police IDK

          "defunding the police isnt really referring to getting rid of police altogether" But Defunding will reduce numbers of police on the streets is that what you want ?

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            #6
            US has somewhere in the vicinity of 800,000 state and local police that have powers of arrest, 150,000 feds

            Even 1% of that 800,000 doing something shitty once a year would equate to 21 incidents a day across the country, which is not what is happening

            i think from memory, it was something like 1040 people killed by police in 2019, most of them legit

            which makes only about 0.1% of that 800,000 involved in a death in any given year, 90% of them legit, so only 0.01% of that 800,000 in a dodgy death

            So that's what everyone is talking about, raising the % of good cops from 99.99% to 100%

            ...and at a time when we've all ripped the guts out of the economy because of covid

            To me it's not even really a thing, you can't really expect to reduce 0.01% by that much

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              #7
              Originally posted by mallyboppa View Post

              That sounds like the UK police (which really ) the article is referring to ! and most of our police are "unarmed specialists" Perhaps I was wrong to expect None UK residents to relate to the problems within the British police IDK

              "defunding the police isnt really referring to getting rid of police altogether" But Defunding will reduce numbers of police on the streets is that what you want ?
              Yeah i'm mainly addressing the issue in the US because it's been such a hot topic here lately, I didnt even realize defunding the police was being discussed in the UK until you made this thread

              But yes I'm in favor of reducing police on patrol and focusing more on community social initiatives to address the root of crime in order to reduce it. I dont think cops should go looking for crime anyways - ideally they should come when called like firefighters or EMS. Mostly the police around here seem concerned with traffic infractions which is just a way to scam people out of money in my opinion, traffic cops can definitely stand to go. There's really no need for a heavy police presence in smaller communities with low crime, and in larger inner cities with a high crime there's usually such a deeply embedded systemically racist component to it that the whole approach needs to be changed - to addressing crime at the root like I mentioned.

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              • tumbling.dice
                tumbling.dice commented
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                Maybe if we reduce the number on cops on patrol we could use some of the savings to hire better cops? The ones hired would be screened more effectively to rid departments of the bullies and sadists, be better trained in mental health and substance abuse problems, and would be paid more to get a wider range of applicants. Make it necessary to have some sort of degree relevant to community issues also.

                I still like the idea of having all department complaints handled by a citizen review board with the same powers as a grand jury.

              #8
              Originally posted by Meliai View Post
              I'm in favor of reducing police budgets and reallocating funds to education, community outreach programs, public health, etc. Basically defund and reallocate to address the fundamental societal ills that lead to higher crime rates in the first place. Reduce crime at the source rather than increase police presence after the fact
              that is exactly what is being presented. i think it's a pretty good idea. it will never happen though; too many people hear "defund the police" and immediately stop listening to anything else said about it and start shouting about how if we get rid of every police officer they'll start shooting people.

              even if we don't defund the police, i would like to see a reprioritization of funding. i'd rather see a town have 10 well trained, well paid, professional police officers, as opposed to 20 part time minimum wage guys going around pissed off because they just got off their part time minimum wage job in the next town over.

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                #9
                Originally posted by Vanilla Gorilla View Post
                US has somewhere in the vicinity of 800,000 state and local police that have powers of arrest, 150,000 feds

                Even 1% of that 800,000 doing something shitty once a year would equate to 21 incidents a day across the country, which is not what is happening

                i think from memory, it was something like 1040 people killed by police in 2019, most of them legit

                which makes only about 0.1% of that 800,000 involved in a death in any given year, 90% of them legit, so only 0.01% of that 800,000 in a dodgy death

                So that's what everyone is talking about, raising the % of good cops from 99.99% to 100%

                ...and at a time when we've all ripped the guts out of the economy because of covid

                To me it's not even really a thing, you can't really expect to reduce 0.01% by that much
                It's an effort to strike the beast while it is wounded. More about opportunity than substance.

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                  #10
                  When I lived in Albany NY I noticed they had several cop cars with "Eviction Unit" on the side of the doors. I sometimes saw them surveying the pile of personally belongings on the lawn of a recent eviction. As soon as they leave, the "neighbors" raid it.

                  But why is this a police function? It's a sub-department that only serves wealthy landlords. But the people of Albany pay for it. Even the ones being evicted, in the middle of the day, when they are not home to protect their belongings. It's like a game to the cops.

                  As it was explained to me, the state has loose regulations regarding squatters and yields to the counties and cities to deal with it. Which seems to open the door for organized crime with a little help from the cops.

                  Personally, I avoid cops.

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                    #11
                    The most sensible thing to do would be for the police departments to encourage black officers to kill white offenders for no reason. To show that they are fair and that the police randomly kills anyone regardless of race. Or maybe the next time a black man gets killed by a white police then a black officer gets a free white kill. To even things out a bit. I'm totally kidding of course. Just a little racial dark humor.

                    Frankly, i wouldn't know what the best solution would be. I think police were much worse and far more corrupt before like back in the 80s and 90s. Just now everything gets noticed more. I think Mel brings up a good point. I'm not totally sure but it think it was the letting go of officers and lower pay that led to higher crime and more police corruption in new york city back in the 70s.

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                      #12
                      Personally I view cops the same way that I view the garbage man. Both have shitty jobs that I don't want cleaning up other peoples messes.

                      I'm all for defunding the police and demilitarizing them. Personally I don't think that they need AR15's or APC's. The money would be better spent on programs that prevent crime. I also believe that the drug war should be treated like the public health problem that it is and not like a criminal issue.

                      C/S,
                      Rev J

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                      • tumbling.dice
                        tumbling.dice commented
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                        Rev J Absolutely agree. A couple years ago around here the town of Benton, KY, population 4,500, received an armored personnel vehicle via a US government grant, to fight terrorism or some shit. Hopefully they don't get tired of it collecting dust and decide to use it instead.

                      • Dr. Doom
                        Dr. Doom commented
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                        Holy crap, armored vehicle for a small town?
                        Geez that's a bit overkill!!

                      • Undies
                        Undies commented
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                        yeah, there's a speed trap (oh sorry, they prefer to be called a small town) of just under 3000 near here that randomly owns a police tank. as far as i know it's never left their bar-that-was-converted-into-a-police-station except for training purposes, but the taxpayers definitely spent many thousands of dollars so it can sit there.

                      #13
                      Originally posted by Rev J View Post
                      Personally I view cops the same way that I view the garbage man. Both have shitty jobs that I don't want cleaning up other peoples messes.

                      I'm all for defunding the police and demilitarizing them. Personally I don't think that they need AR15's or APC's. The money would be better spent on programs that prevent crime. I also believe that the drug war should be treated like the public health problem that it is and not like a criminal issue.

                      C/S,
                      Rev J
                      I'd like to add that I prefer them to Sting's solo work:

                      I also just ordered this:

                      https://images.app.goo.gl/aoJs7xjiqeKewben9

                      C/S,
                      Rev J

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                      • mallyboppa
                        mallyboppa commented
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                        Wondered how long it would take Hahaha !

                      #14
                      Originally posted by Vanilla Gorilla View Post
                      US has somewhere in the vicinity of 800,000 state and local police that have powers of arrest, 150,000 feds

                      Even 1% of that 800,000 doing something shitty once a year would equate to 21 incidents a day across the country, which is not what is happening

                      i think from memory, it was something like 1040 people killed by police in 2019, most of them legit

                      which makes only about 0.1% of that 800,000 involved in a death in any given year, 90% of them legit, so only 0.01% of that 800,000 in a dodgy death

                      So that's what everyone is talking about, raising the % of good cops from 99.99% to 100%

                      ...and at a time when we've all ripped the guts out of the economy because of covid

                      To me it's not even really a thing, you can't really expect to reduce 0.01% by that much
                      I agree...The stuff you see on American TV is propaganda, taken mainstream because everyone in the country sees it on TV and it forms a collective opinion. And it worked!

                      And I am guessing the rest of the English-speaking countries are seeing somewhat the same thing, with some minor differences.
                      If we do away with the police, and take people's guns away or the right to defend ourselves and our families/homes, what have we accomplished in our civilization?

                      This stuff is happening only in the big cities, which have been "disarmed for their own inconvenience". It's a game. With this stuff escalating, it will leave no choice but to allow the government to totally take over our lives and coming lack of freedom. If it comes out into the countryside, the game isn't going to be the same. That will be the worst (and last) idea these thugs will have.

                      This may be a possibly unpopular statement, but it's truth..."Guns in the hands of law abiding citizens helped keep us free for a long time..it worked..and now that the guard being lowered, it will take our freedoms away. Very quickly."

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                        #15
                        Over the past couple of years I've been watching this guys videos:





                        C/S,
                        Rev J

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                        • Dr. Doom
                          Dr. Doom commented
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                          I've seen this guy before, he makes a lot of sense.
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