Legal update on Breonna Taylor

[Deidre]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/23/grand-jury-indicts-louisville-cop-in-death-of-breonna-taylor.html

So, this is like saying Breonna Taylor's death was justified.

I think it's time as well, to get these legislators out of their positions, who come up with 'no knock' laws and such.

What are your thoughts?

[Undies]

i suppose you can't really indict a cop for busting down random doors and shooting the people inside when doing so is legal and what they are trained to do. i'm all for indicting everyone involved in making that legal in the first place though.

[Deidre]

i suppose you can't really indict a cop for busting down random doors and shooting the people inside when doing so is legal and what they are trained to do. i'm all for indicting everyone involved in making that legal in the first place though.

I’m wondering though why they felt compelled to shoot her multiple times? Her bf supposedly had a gun and that caused the cops to react (new info is emerging) yet she had no weapon and was shot until dead. Yet cops were too scared to confront the Parkland shooter? Because he was white?

It’s all so sad.

[Undies]

I’m wondering though why they felt compelled to shoot her multiple times? Her bf supposedly had a gun and that caused the cops to react (new info is emerging) yet she had no weapon and was shot until dead. Yet cops were too scared to confront the Parkland shooter? Because he was white?

It’s all so sad.

it's hard to really know what happened if you weren't there. sounds to me like her boyfriend panicked because someone busted down his door in the middle of the night and started shooting, and then they panicked because someone was shooting so they all started shooting. of course, what do you expect when you bust down an innocent person's door in the middle of the night?

[Audiogen]

I heard the bf had a gun and shot first awhile ago. I don't really know the particular conditions for a No Knock Warrant, if it's just arbitrarily applied I think it should be reformed but I suspect certain conditions have to be met for it to be permissible.

Like it would make sense to have in place if someone is suspected of running a huge Heroin distribution ring or the head of a cartel/gang or something.

[tumbling.dice]

I have no way of proving this, but my gut feeling is that the people we are hiring to enforce the law enjoy busting down doors and pushing people around. They were either the bullies in school, or they were bullied themselves and this is their way of evening the score. It makes them think they have big penises.

I haven't kept up with the Taylor case; there have been too many cop related shootings for me to keep up with lately. Obviously, if the police were being fired at then they had every right to defend themselves by firing back. Don't have a clue why they shot the lady till she was dead though.

[Audiogen]

Two officers have been shot as thousands of people protest in the US city of Louisville after a grand jury decided no-one would be charged with the death of Breonna Taylor.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-54275346

[Beach Ball Bitch]

It was not a random door. Also the cops did bang on the door and announced, several times. It also was not a no knock warrant. Before they hit the five places, this apartment was deemed a knock before entering... apparently Breonna Taylor was not asleep and also fired a gun. The above neighbour heard the banging and announcement, the neighbour next door also opened his door and said what’s going on?

So the one cop was charged because three bullets went into other apartments. They might not be from his gun either.


the boyfriend inside even said, Who is it?

[WritersPanic]

It was indeed a no-knock warrant. However, the cops did knock (their option with such a warrant). That's when 9mm bullets started coming through the door at them. And there is plenty of evidence of this where stray bullets lodged into the building's material. The cops were shooting 40 or 45 caliber bullets. Ms. Taylor was standing in the hall, in the middle of the crossfire. I have not heard if any 9mm bullets hit her or not.

[Rev J]

Here's a couple of videos on this subject that I watched today. I frequently watch this guys videos. He's a former "Security Contractor" who has experience training police officers and is critical of "No Knock" raids:

I see a lot of hypocrisy among a certain clique of posters regarding use of firearms. "If someone was trying to destroy my business I'd shoot them" etc. The police conducted a no knock raid and didn't identify themselves as police officers, using out of date information. Any of the people here who want to defend the police's actions for opening fire should think about that for a minute.

Say for a moment that you own a gun to protect your home and someone kicks down your door without identifying themselves. What is your first reaction going to be?

There have been medical and psychological studies done on this that state when we go into "Fight, Flight, or Freeze" mode parts of our cognition slow down or stop because the brain considers them unnecessary at the moment for our survival. This is essentially tunnel vision but it really overlaps to all of our senses. It might take a moment to process "Put down the weapon" that is a moment that can get people killed. One of the holes in police training especially in high stress situation they aren't trained in concepts like "Time, Cover, and Assessment" the same way that the military are. The same person who did the other two videos I've linked did a good video covering it. He posts nearly every day, sometimes 2 or 3 times a day so it can be difficult to keep up.

C/S,
Rev J

[Rev J]

It was not a random door. Also the cops did bang on the door and announced, several times. It also was not a no knock warrant. Before they hit the five places, this apartment was deemed a knock before entering... apparently Breonna Taylor was not asleep and also fired a gun. The above neighbour heard the banging and announcement, the neighbour next door also opened his door and said what’s going on?

So the one cop was charged because three bullets went into other apartments. They might not be from his gun either.


the boyfriend inside even said, Who is it?

Where are you getting your information?

They got a "Last Known Address" from her ex boyfriends drivers license. So in that case it wasn't random. Then again how often do drug dealers update their info anyway.

I get it you are scared of black people. The police are always right and need all of the money that they can get. They are also always truthful in their reports and shouldn't be held accountable.

C/S,
Rev J

[Beach Ball Bitch]

From the warrant which was posted online and from statements made in documents by neighbours. News sources lie. . As well as the boyfriend stating they banged loudly... but they definitely announced too.

Did you listen to the briefing yesterday? As for the old address of her boyfriend... he still used tha5 address for delivery and used it as his home address, even though he did not live there. Packages were delivered there. Breonna Taylor’s car would sometimes drive the deliveries to the drug house. Grand jury say the evidence and found it to be credible and decided on charges that could be laid against one of the cops.

Kentucky Attorney General Daniel Cameron said Louisville Metro officers knocked and announced themselves before breaching the door to Breonna Taylor's apartment.

https://www.whas11.com/article/news/investigations/breonna-taylor-case/breonna-taylor-decision-no-knock-warrant-louisville-officers-announced-attorney-general/417-7dd8174f-53f1-4af6-8baf-c36eb4bd7cc1

[eggsprog]

Why the need to enter in that way at all? If they were hiding the guy in there, what are they going to do, flush him down the toilet before the cops enter the apartment?

[neonspectraltoast]

Breonna was sacrificing a baby. She was about to start stabbing it with a dagger. The cops said, "Police!" and knocked politely. Then they busted down the door. Breonna dropped the dagger and picked up a gun and shot one of the cops in the dick. So what she needed was a few bullets in her. The baby was saved and kissed by the cops who love her even though she's black.

There are no more drugs in Louisville.

[Meliai]

The whole thing is fucked.
America very much has a culture where it's acceptable to defend your property with a gun, but no one really has much to say about that when something like this happens. Even if the cops announced themselves, if Breonna and her boyfriend were woken up and disoriented its very possible they didn't realize it was the police and therefore her boyfriend thought he was shooting at intruders.
so in a society where shooting at intruders is an acceptable thing to do, it seems like the police would want to ensure their own safety and come up with a better system than just barging in someone's house in the middle of the night.

I dont know if anyone is "at fault" here except the system, it seems like a terrible tragedy that happened at the hands of police who were following protocol that shouldn't be protocol in the first place.

and I also understand why people in Louisville are angry and why this is just going to create more civil unrest

[lode]

The whole thing is fucked.
America very much has a culture where it's acceptable to defend your property with a gun, but no one really has much to say about that when something like this happens. Even if the cops announced themselves, if Breonna and her boyfriend were woken up and disoriented its very possible they didn't realize it was the police and therefore her boyfriend thought he was shooting at intruders.
so in a society where shooting at intruders is an acceptable thing to do, it seems like the police would want to ensure their own safety and come up with a better system than just barging in someone's house in the middle of the night.

I dont know if anyone is "at fault" here except the system, it seems like a terrible tragedy that happened at the hands of police who were following protocol that shouldn't be protocol in the first place.

and I also understand why people in Louisville are angry and why this is just going to create more civil unrest

Agreed. It’s a tragedy. But if police don’t come up with a better strategy, its just a matter of time before this happens again.

We’ll all act like it’s a surprise next time. At the very least I think there needs to be a federal ban of no knock warrants. Maybe they miss a few drugs, but it would just be the amount you could flush. It’s not worth this.

I’d like to point out BeachBall is wildly wrong. It was a no-knock warrant. Here’s the warrant. Page 8, item 15.

https://reason.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Breonna-Taylor-search-warrants.pdf

[Din Djarin]

Haha, poor Beachy. She said she got it from the warrant. Looks like she was bluffing.
Nasty, yet better to laugh at than to cry about :P :-D

[Din Djarin]

No wonder she digs Trump and can't even admit its factually verified he lied hundreds of time.
Some people just are at odds with the truth...

[Beach Ball Bitch]

Did you know a dead body was found in the trunk of Breonna Taylor’s car which she claimed to not know? Ye5 it was an associate and friend of her boyfriend Glover at the time. Also there is recordings of Breonnas involvement with the trap house. She managed all monies from the trap house and deliveries for the ex. He continued to use her address and they communicated regularly.

[WritersPanic]

It wasn't her car, it was a rental. Imagine being a Hertz porter opening the trunk to that!

[Beach Ball Bitch]

True my mistake, it was just her rental car. . Somehow she got out of that one. Must be because she is privileged,