Shamima Begum

[Vanilla Gorilla]

(CNN)The UK Supreme Court ruled Friday that "ISIS bride" Shamima Begum cannot return to the United Kingdom to appeal the revocation of her UK citizenship.

The President of the Supreme Court, Lord Robert Reed, said that the UK Court of Appeal made four errors last year when it ruled that Begum should be allowed to return to the UK to carry out her appeal.
Begum was 15 years old when in 2015 she left the UK with two school friends to join ISIS in Syria. She was stripped of her British citizenship by then-Home Secretary Sajid Javid on February 19, 2019 upon being discovered in a northern Syrian refugee camp.

According to Reed, the Court of Appeal was mistaken in ruling that Begum's right to a fair hearing should prevail over other competing rights.

The right to a fair hearing does not trump all other considerations such as the safety of the public," Reed said.
The UK Court of Appeal last year ruled that Begum should be granted leave to enter the UK for her appeal because otherwise it would not be "a fair and effective hearing."
Reed added that the Court of Appeal did not give the Home Secretary's assessment of the requirements to enter the UK "the respect it deserved," adding that the court made their "own assessment of the requirements" despite an "absence of relevant evidence.


The Supreme Court also ruled that Begum's appeal against the revocation of her UK citizenship should be "postponed" until she can participate without "public safety being compromised."
In his judgment Reed said Begum is currently being held at a camp in Syria. This is "not a perfect solution as it is not known how long it may be before that is possible," he said."There is no perfect solution to a dilemma of the present kind," Reed added.
The decision to revoke Begum's citizenship has come under fire from human rights campaigners and legal experts alike who argue that the revocation rendered her stateless and compromised her right to a fair appeal

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/26/e...ntl/index.html

[Vanilla Gorilla]

I dont see how you can strip anyone of their citizenship and make them stateless no matter what they did

Public safety is the excuse made by the supreme court this time, I fail to see what threat to public safety one unarmed woman makes

[Sooz]

I'm sure you wouldn't mind being bombed by a terrorist organisation.
Just remember what happened in that Lindt Cafe in Sydney.

[6-eyed]

I dont see how you can strip anyone of their citizenship and make them stateless no matter what they did

Public safety is the excuse made by the supreme court this time, I fail to see what threat to public safety one unarmed woman makes

Unarmed? Now that she’s been in ISIS she has connections with the organization and can still be in contact with them to assist in acts of terrorism within the UK. She could be a spy and isn’t trustworthy

I suppose the Supreme Court is doing this to set an example. If any dumb teenager in the future wants to be an ISIS bride, these are the consequences.

[tumbling.dice]

She was only 15 years old when she joined ISIS? She should be allowed to return and given a mental health assessment. There is no way that, at 15, she could have understood the gravity of her decision.

[Undies]

Her name's too close to shaman, I thought this was an ill duce thread.

[Sooz]

Those people aren't trusted anymore.
Why?
Well it seems they have joined a terrorist organisation.
Nobody should be subjected to getting bombed

[Vanilla Gorilla]

Unarmed? Now that she’s been in ISIS she has connections with the organization and can still be in contact with them to assist in acts of terrorism within the UK. She could be a spy and isn’t trustworthy

I suppose the Supreme Court is doing this to set an example. If any dumb teenager in the future wants to be an ISIS bride, these are the consequences.

Still feels like something lefties would do

Take away her citizenship, let her be another countries problem, sweep it under the carpet, be scared of a little girl

But it was the right wing Tories at the time, it's messing with my right wing ideology

[mallyboppa]

She should go back to live with her family ! would cause loads of problems allowing her to come to the UK ! A poster girl for the radical Islamic terrorists She isn't and will never be a normal "little girl" , So what do you do with her ?

[mallyboppa]

Good Idea ! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47431249

The Dutch husband of Shamima Begum, who joined the Islamic State group in Syria in 2015 aged 15, has said he wants her to return to the Netherlands with him.

Yago Riedijk and Ms Begum married days after she arrived inside IS territory.

Speaking to the BBC, he admitted fighting for the group but says he now wants to return home with his wife and their newborn son.

Mr Riedijk, 27, is being held in a Kurdish detention centre in north-eastern Syria.

He faces a six-year jail term for joining a terror organisation if he returns to the Netherlands.

[Vanilla Gorilla]

So, get her to live nextdoor to Asmo

We brainstormed, and came up with a solution

[mallyboppa]

No she could have Asmo's old place with the noisy upstairs neighbors ! cant be any worse than living with ISIS

[Meliai]

She was only 15 years old when she joined ISIS? She should be allowed to return and given a mental health assessment. There is no way that, at 15, she could have understood the gravity of her decision.

Agree
if this was a 15 year old girl under any other circumstance, like if she went to live with some creepy old man after talking to him online for months, we would understand he was a predator and she was the victim of grooming.

[mallyboppa]

Agree
if this was a 15 year old girl under any other circumstance, like if she went to live with some creepy old man after talking to him online for months, we would understand he was a predator and she was the victim of grooming.

If it was as you say I would agree with you A lot of grooming By Muslim gangs did go on in the UK but these were almost 100% Poor white girls (do a search " Grooming gangs" ! )
These three girls ( all A students ) went to join a terrorist organization not the girl scouts, they knew what they were involved in and if Isis had not been defeated they wouldn't want to come back

[Meliai]

If it was as you say I would agree with you A lot of grooming By Muslim gangs did go on in the UK but these were almost 100% Poor white girls (do a search " Grooming gangs" ! )
These three girls ( all A students ) went to join a terrorist organization not the girl scouts, they knew what they were involved in and if Isis had not been defeated they wouldn't want to come back

I looked up a little of her background. Her mom died of cancer, her father remarried, and she was targeted by a group of Islamic women called Sisters Forum and left the UK to join ISIL all in the same year. She was exactly the type of vulnerable young woman going through extreme emotional upheaval who becomes an easy target for predators to prey upon, be it by a pedophile or a group of Islamic fundies. It isnt typical sexualized grooming in that she was preyed upon by a man but it's grooming all the same. Not at all unlike how cults prey upon vulnerable people.

I'm not saying I think she should be allowed back in the country as a free citizen but her citizenship shouldn't be stripped and she should be brought back for trial where her age, circumstances, and actions while away should all be taken into consideration

Just seems like the UK is pushing away their own responsibilities by stripping her citizenship and not giving her a trial

[mallyboppa]

What about her friends that went with her ? were they venerable I was not well educated and left school to go to work at 15 would never have thought once about going to join a cult that believes in beheading anyone that doesn't have the same beliefs as me
That was over 50 years ago and 15 year old's are a lot more knowledgeable about the world around them
almost every day there was something on the news about what Isis was doing, like a fucking horror story , yet in an interview she said she was OK with that !!
Still they went ! and then in a later interview she said the Manchester bombing was Justified !
not going to fall out with you over this mate But why should I think she should be allowed here !

[Meliai]

What about her friends that went with her ? were they venerable I was not well educated and left school to go to work at 15 would never have thought once about going to join a cult that believes in beheading anyone that doesn't have the same beliefs as me
That was over 50 years ago and 15 year old's are a lot more knowledgeable about the world around them
almost every day there was something on the news about what Isis was doing, like a fucking horror story , yet in an interview she said she was OK with that !!
Still they went ! and then in a later interview she said the Manchester bombing was Justified !
not going to fall out with you over this mate But why should I think she should be allowed here !

I would hope we wouldn't fall out over a difference of opinion, mally

I dont really expect you or anyone else to have empathy for the circumstances that led to this, that's just what jumped out at me.
but I think we can all agree there was a level of grooming and brainwashing that happened before she left.

But everything you listed is why I think she should be brought back and charged and brought to trial. If she acted within her own agency and if she played a supporting role in terroristic acts and it is determined she was of sound mind when she made the decision to leave, then she should be in prison. The UK is just making her someone else's problem and that's what I dont agree with.

[6-eyed]

I would hope we wouldn't fall out over a difference of opinion, mally

I dont really expect you or anyone else to have empathy for the circumstances that led to this, that's just what jumped out at me.
but I think we can all agree there was a level of grooming and brainwashing that happened before she left.

But everything you listed is why I think she should be brought back and charged and brought to trial. If she acted within her own agency and if she played a supporting role in terroristic acts and it is determined she was of sound mind when she made the decision to leave, then she should be in prison. The UK is just making her someone else's problem and that's what I dont agree with.

She assisted ISIS with buffering and beheadings. Most 15 years olds her age are trialed as adults when they commit heinous crimes like she did. 15-year olds are not “naive little girls”. At that age they are fully aware of the difference between joining a clique, a gang, or a religious terrorist organization.

I say to hell with her. The UK has been notoriously soft on islamists, so it’s about time that country’s balls finally dropped.