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    Shouldn't We The People Have More Say in the Way the USA is Governed?

    Why do we and by we I mean the people who time and again vote politicians into office … be they Republican or Democrats who at the end of the day do absolutely nothing tangible for us? It seems that if we are conservatively minded then we vote for a Republican politician. If we are Liberals then we vote for a Democrat come what may.

    Then at the end of the day how much say do we, the voters, have in the way these politicians perform? Both parties have spin doctors and television and radio stations who praise the person they support and vilify the opposition candidate. It’s a case of he/she who pays the piper calls the tune.

    If a politician is anti gun control they will have the support of the NRA who in turn will pump millions of dollars into their coffers. If a politician is for gun control and the defunding of the police then they will receive gazillions from West Coast billionaires.

    So when all is said and done where does that leave us? Some voters vent their anger by burning and looting businesses. Others confront the police and spit on them and throw Molotov cocktails at them.

    Fat lot of good this does.

    But how then do the average law abiding citizens like you and I tell politicians that we are sick and tired of their bullshit? We have to wait four years until the next election before we can express our anger by voting for another person/party.

    Surely there must be a better way for us to unseat corrupt and or useless politicians?

    What do you think?
    "The embers of our past lives lie smouldering within us awaiting the winds of remembrance to fan them in flames of reality." Dax.

    #2
    The system could work if it was not abused and played. It is played and abused by people from most corners of society. Politicians, media, businessess and their lobbies, and to some extent the citizens itself as well. An example:

    Originally posted by Dax View Post
    Then at the end of the day how much say do we, the voters, have in the way these politicians perform? Both parties have spin doctors and television and radio stations who praise the person they support and vilify the opposition candidate. It’s a case of he/she who pays the piper calls the tune.
    In the US this vilifying is done to a preposterous, unfair and non constructive degree. If it was done honestly and with constructive criticism instead of mud slinging it would be ok, and even good.

    I think as long as such things are society wise not kept in check you guys will have a polarized society and national politics will remain a farce, as it is now. Corruption is not a sector thing, its a human thing. As long as people are nonsensically against a whole sector like 'the mainstream media' or the gubberment and angrily refrain from voting or support proper journalism (for example) nothing is gonna change for the better. Also, the days of the two party system are really over.

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      #3
      They probably should have more political parties open just like what Australia does.
      It might just stop all the utter stupidity after an election is held.

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        #4
        What troubles me the most is the utter ignorance of so many voters. And I don't just mean Trump voters either. They're easy targets, but lefties that don't understand economics or who want to engage in "social engineering" (a Hitler-ish phrase if ever there was one) are just as troublesome.

        More generally, one of the bigger problems to plague the U.S. is our fear of embracing liberty. We'll defend our own personal liberty, of course, or we'll agree to relinquish rights that we ourselves don't use, but when it comes to the liberties of other citizens we waffle. It's been that way from the beginning and it's still that way.

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          #5
          It amazed me how quickly we forgot 9/11.

          The main problem with our society, and yes I'm as bad about it as anyone, is social media. The more you think about everything that's available on it, the more you'll see that it's the problem.

          It may take a major global conflict to make citizens realize what is truly worthwhile in life.

          Feminism. Divorce Culture. Power Hunger. the list of social issues goes on.

          Family no longer matters. Without family, you have chaos. I'm not claiming to be any expert, just food for thought.

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            #6
            Just because family isn't the main focus point anymore where it comes to societal issues doesn't mean it does no longer matter. Concluding it as such is a similar kind of logic as seeing the societal focus on trying to include ethnic minorities as a lack of care for the white demographic.

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              #7
              Originally posted by tumbling.dice View Post
              More generally, one of the bigger problems to plague the U.S. is our fear of embracing liberty.
              Thought that said fear of embracing literacy. Which is also part of the problem.

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                #8
                As someone without much of a family, I feel like everywhere I go it's family this and family that, and if you have a family you get all these extra privileges and discounts and time off work, and if you haven't been able to trick someone into having kids with you, then fuck you.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Undies View Post
                  As someone without much of a family, I feel like everywhere I go it's family this and family that, and if you have a family you get all these extra privileges and discounts and time off work, and if you haven't been able to trick someone into having kids with you, then fuck you.
                  Damn, I so DO understand that.

                  This is how I felt when in my 20s and 30s.

                  My friends had families, seemed everybody had families, my boss and co-workers all said I need to get married, have kids, do my "Manly Duties".

                  Wish I could go back and punch two in particular, right in the mouth. Hard... I was brought up to be WAY too nice. Bad thing for a Man.

                  Okay. Whew I feel better now.
                  Last edited by Amerijuanican; 05-03-2021, 07:18 PM.

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                    #10
                    One interesting thing, most of these "successful families" I mentioned, ended up divorced.

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                      #11
                      Well, a lot of the benefits and discounts end when the kids leave the house...

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                        #12
                        Hence why some keep their kid in their basement and never learn them how to cook

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by tumbling.dice View Post
                          What troubles me the most is the utter ignorance of so many voters.
                          Yeah, and instead of whining about "voter ID laws" we should be having a serious discussion on voter competency laws.

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                            #14
                            It would be very helpful if the S.Valley people would go make a video game to play "Control the World" on and leave the real world to it's inhabitants.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by everything bagel View Post
                              Yeah, and instead of whining about "voter ID laws" we should be having a serious discussion on voter competency laws.
                              There's not much to choose from. Might wanna work on that as well.
                              Not saying there are likely a shitload of worthy people also presently in the two biggest parties, but the two party system doesn't function well anymore AND the deciding body of those parties made such poor decisions I can't blame american voters for feeling hopeless..

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