I'm wondering how right leaning Americans on here view Liz Cheney. I think she already deserves respect for sinply going against the grain, but I also think (with my limited insight) that she is acting with the wellbeing of the republican party in mind. Regardless wether you might disagree with what she sees as good for the party or not, what do you think about her and her intent?
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She’s a neocon. The worst kind of republican. Basically an outdated and expired product from the Bush years. If the GOP wants to save themselves from oblivion, they need to get rid of people like her. -
But is her intent for the party sincere? And if so, wouldn't the worst kind of republican be an insincere one, who abandons their ideals/principles out of opportunism or a sense of self or party preservation?
Letting it open for now what and who might be insincere, as we all get this could be simply made into another thread with pro and anti Trump remarks
Another thought: is there no room for different kinds of conservatives in one party? And also wondering: why exactly do you see neoconservatives as the worst kind of republican? If that was not charged hyperbole?Comment
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I mean, neocons aren't my favorite, but they're pissed at her cause she speaks out against Trump, and Trumpism isn't a winning strategy. Just remember, six months ago we were just slinging mud and calling names. It was a circus, with no objective, with Trump as the ringleader.
That ain't gonna work, know what I'm saying?
All that's gonna work is honest people. And Donald Trump is not honest; he's a manipulator. And that's not a leader, either. Your great great grandparents understood what I'm telling you. You have to ACTUALLY be good. Or this whole thing isn't gonna work.
I know I see things simply, but it's so.Comment
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He did actually try to do what he said he would when he ran for office, unlike other politicians do.
Remember all the Republicans who said in the debates the first thing they would do was repeal and replace Obamacare if elected?
And did you notice that as Trump tried to do that (first thing), they didn't go along? His own party is why we still partly have it..it's the only insurance I can get and it goes up $100. every fuckin' year. From $400., to now $900/year. Some Health plan!!!
Trump was more honest with the people than the other Republicans were. And we knew it, that's why he got elected.
He did what he said he would.
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I know absolutely nothing about her except her name has replaced Nancy pelosi's in the "this person needs to be deported" memes.Comment
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Liz Cheney memes are down.. Invest in Biden Energy memes..
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Republicans need more of her and less Marjorie Taylor Greene. But Cheney being booted off her position for not being a QAnon cultist who thinks the election was stolen from Trump (despite ZERO evidence to prove that, 66 thrown out court cases, a libel lawsuit from Dominion, and even Newsmax issuing a retraction) pretty much shows the direction the republican party is moving in. The extremist radical far fringe psychotics are trying to steal the party from level headed conservatives.
Whether the republican party fractures and new party comes into play, or they just fight an internal civil war, their behavior will enable democrats for years. GOP is self destructing
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No coincidence that all the libs in this thread have forgotten memories about Liz Cheney's father. The apple never falls far from political family trees. You all forgot his shady Haliburton deals, the Enron scandal, the Iraq invasion, the Hurricane Katrina fuck-ups, the patriot act, and much more. Liz is undeniably a product of that shady environment.
No doubt when the next republican president comes in, you'll be saying great praises about congressmen who backed Trump back in the day, and forget why you were angry with Trump in the first place.Comment
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An unneccesary conclusion (assumption). He just wasnt mentioned yet.Originally posted by 6-eyed View Post
'You all forgot' Lol... Very peculiar debate style.Comment
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I won't.Originally posted by 6-eyed View Post
I actually agree with your point this time haha.
Not about forgetting Liz Cheney was Dick's daughter (hehe), I actually didn't know that. I wondered if they were related but I didn't know for sure
But I agree it was alarming how quickly Bush era conservatives became the good guys in comparison to Trump.
I get it because Bush is a likeable person and Trump is an abrasive asshole, but you can't sweep two wars, one predicated on false premises, under the rug because someone is likeable lol
But I also want to point out Bush era conservatives who later became Trump supporters now want to pretend they didn't spend 8 years waving their huge goddamn American flags in support of said wars and they pretend they've been in support of peace this whole time. Which I find particularly infuriating, even more infuriating than Democrats who love Bush now.
As for Liz Cheney, I don't know anything about her except she stood up to Trump. I'm sure she's a typical neocon but the bar is set very low for the Republican party these daysLast edited by Meliai; 05-14-2021, 12:28 PM.Comment
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If a country only has one meaningful rightwing party should 't there be room for a different rightwing voice in that party?
Have all neocons no place in the Republican party anymore?
If all is right she came into that position for a large part by republican voters. Now she got removed from it by fellow politicians who feel her critical comments on her own party's direction are out of place/not done (correct me if I'm wrong).
Isn't it normal to challenge another candidate in your own party?
Do the Republican voters who aren't supporting Trump not deserve adequate representation?Comment
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I had assumed Liz Cheney was Dick's wife. Since nobody ever actually identified who she was.
But anyway, now I understand why right wingers were/are so much more upset about Hunter biden's existence than anything his dad ever did, it's because right wingers believe that a child and their parent are literally the same person. Maybe it comes from that confusing Jesus is god and God's son thing, I don't know.Comment
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Interesting...Originally posted by Undies View Post
I've never heard that. Good thing I don't think me and parent are the same person, i'd be at odds with myself constantly.mother moon -she's calling me back to her silver womb,
father of creation -takes me from my stolen tomb
seventh-advent unicorn is waiting in the skies,
a symptom of the universe, a love that never dies! 🧙♂️Comment
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that's my thought too. sometimes people end up just like their parents, sometimes they end up complete opposite. but 6's last point was basically "liz cheney is bad because her dad was bad". and the entire election, i kept hearing "you can't vote for joe biden because hunter biden did such-and-such thing".Originally posted by Amerijuanican View PostComment
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The Republican Party will hopefully fracture into two parties, one for people who support sound economic policy, personal liberty and limited governmental power and another party for fundamentalist nuts and conspiracy theorists.
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