HIV + in California

[Beach Ball Bitch]

California has passed a law called SB 239 I believe, but it repealed the law that made it mandatory to inform your partner. HIV positive people do not have to disclose this information to their partners in CaliforniA.

what do you think?

https://pridelegal.com/california-hiv-laws/

here is the California law,

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...201720180SB239

Scott Wiener Is the one who pushed for this.

[Undies]

it sounds wrong, but i also haven't read any of these laws. not sure if SB 239 has some alternative wording of the same thing for example.

i'm also not very knowledgeable on some key facts. is HIV/AIDS still fatal? are people required to disclose other incurable STDs?

[Beach Ball Bitch]

it sounds wrong, but i also haven't read any of these laws. not sure if SB 239 has some alternative wording of the same thing for example.

i'm also not very knowledgeable on some key facts. is HIV/AIDS still fatal? are people required to disclose other incurable STDs?

Well would you want to know if someone has a disease that effects your immune system... for life you will be at risk for many things while taking lots of medication? Personally I would hope my partner would say something. I would... but to knowing not disclose that info is a crime as far as I am concerned. I remember that guy who intentionally went out to infect people with it when he found out he had it, And yes, I think it is important to let people know. Loaded gun.

i wonder how that guy would feel if someone went up to him and coughed in his face... has covid19 but just goes about coughing on people, cause you know... he is sick and doesn’t have to warn people. Or you for that matter,

[Undies]

yeah, of course i would want to know. like i said, my gut says this is wrong, but i just didn't bother to read any of the links or do any research so i don't even know what the supposed intent was here.

[everything bagel]

The argument is that it criminalizes being sick and forces public disclosure of private information. On the constitutional side, the proponents of this are right. But... its HIV.

I think its just more of the typical American mindset. We can't address mass shootings because the 2nd amendment then we can't have people incriminating themselves by announcing they're sick because of the 5th. It's the same mentality, but both sides will see it differently and round and round we go.

God bless America

[Beach Ball Bitch]

As usual bagel changes the argument, It was not about informing the general public, it was you don’t have to inform your sexual partner. Big difference, Even though the person who has it knows they can kill the person, shorten their life, Greatly reduce the quality of another persons life and not care. Be selfish, it is ok. the LGBT community was used as being the underdog in this as the minority in order to get this passed. It doesn’t just effect the LGBT community.

[Undies]

As usual bagel changes the argument, It was not about informing the general public, it was you don’t have to inform your sexual partner.

Well you would like to think you could trust your sexual partner, but legally, telling anyone who isn't bound by HIPAA laws would equate to telling the general public.

Not that I think that's a good argument for the policy change, since there's a difference between telling people about something you have and telling them about the risks of a particular activity.

[Beach Ball Bitch]

Undies Well the terrible part of it is that some people don’t tell, most will I think, but some will simply not care about the risk to the other person involved. I like to think a small fraction ... but who really knows. There have been a few that knowingly did it. Knowing they had it and didn’t care about who they infected. Intentionally did it even. So who is exactly the victim? Who is being protected?

[Jessica]

I'd prefer it was law to inform new partners, definitely.

[Beach Ball Bitch]

Me too. . Not everyone cares about their partner/s. I do. California is a weird place. If you leave California they tax you as well, continue to tax you additional money even if you leave the state. You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.

They apparently are doing a retroactive thing right now on taxes and collecting taxes on people who are not living in California anymore, and looking to appeal civil rights laws. Just madness, and this is what the left politicians do?

[eggsprog]

If someone is undergoing treatment for HIV and has an undetectable viral load as a result, they are not able to transmit the virus to others. In this case, there should be no need to disclose to partners.

[Beach Ball Bitch]

https://www.catie.ca/en/fact-sheets/transmission/hiv-viral-load-hiv-treatment-and-sexual-hiv-transmission

eggsprog There are things that can go wrong when taking meds, they stop working, etc... no Longer adhering. Regular tests are recommended. I am not afraid of people who are HIV+ and have friends who are. I just think it is important to let your partner know, so they can decide what is best for their own bodies and comfort levels...and be made aware of possibilities. Do the research and find out for themselves and people decide what they are comfortable with. So many variables but it is also not for certain. Anyone who says it is, isn’t being honest.

[eggsprog]

Beach Ball Bitch What part of that is supposed to back up your argument? It says that when the HIV+ person is adhering to their therapy, there is no transmission to sexual partners (but some risk with breastfeeding and sharing needles/injection equipment). Am I missing something here? Honestly asking.

I do agree that disclosing to sexual partners should probably be encouraged, especially if someone wants to pursue a longer-term relationship with that person, but I don't think that someone unable to transmit HIV should face criminal penalties for non-disclosure.

As a side note, one of my closest friends works for CATIE.

[Beach Ball Bitch]

eggsprog I do believe that someone should have to disclose the information to their partner should each party want to have a relationship. That they be made aware of risks and the potential risk to their partner as well. People on these meds should be getting tests regularly to see if the medication is working, Some people are lazy and don’t bother following the required medication as well And the Regular testing to make sure it is still working,. I do think that most people are responsible in this regard, but I do think a partner should be informed, I can not guarantee that an addict will care about the risk to whoever either,... This is not against the gay community at all.

There have been men out there who have intentionally infected women with it.