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    #31
    I'm glad sunsets are orange. Orange has always been my favorite color!
    A color of warmth.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Amerijuanican View Post

      I think many people agree w/that assessment, however just like in years before they should immigrate here legally.
      Because they are illegals, they can murder people, get sent back, and come back and do it again. Immigrants who have come here legally don't like it, and who can blame them?

      And another thing we want to filter out is Islamic bad actors. We quickly forgot 9/11 as a country.
      Other than that, I totally agree.
      After all, most of us came here from somewhere else.
      I know that the source here is easy to dismiss since it is coming from a comedian but it's a comedian who has actually dealt with immigration and has become a US Citizen:



      C/S,
      Rev J

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        #33
        Originally posted by Amerijuanican View Post
        No wonder they want to come here.
        Rather than discussing this in the comments I'm dragging you on to the floor. Again it's easy to dismiss due to the accent and the "Curious George" patch on the hat (Fun Fact: Among "Security Contractors" and Intel Units this is a common patch. Ironic self aware humor):



        Now it's time to go from the worlds policeman to worlds garbage man and clean up our own messes. The people who made the mess are out of power. It's up to us to clean up the mess and prevent it from happening again.

        C/S,
        Rev J
        Rev J
        Willie Fuckin' Wonka
        Last edited by Rev J; 11-20-2020, 04:08 AM.

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          #34
          Originally posted by Rev J View Post

          Rather than discussing this in the comments I'm dragging you on to the floor. Again it's easy to dismiss due to the accent and the "Curious George" patch on the hat (Fun Fact: Among "Security Contractors" and Intel Units this is a common patch. Ironic self aware humor):



          Now it's time to go from the worlds policeman to worlds garbage man and clean up our own messes. The people who made the mess are out of power. It's up to us to clean up the mess and prevent it from happening again.

          C/S,
          Rev J
          dragging me on the floor? lmao...!

          had no intention of having that effect on you, to wanna do that.
          I think we already discussed this before, and as I mentioned on a post to someone else, I credited you for making me aware of this phenomenon, since you presented some discussion earlier, which I agreed with.

          Yes, it was wrong. I wasn't a fan of it when it happened.
          And, I'm all for cleaning up our mess.
          I just don't feel right letting "china Joe and crack- add son" sell us out to the Totalitarian wannabe empire.
          But fuck it, it's gonna fuckin' happen, so I guess we'll watch the dance and t.i.u.t.a....
          Getting tired of talking politics here, or anywhere else. It's not our world anymore, so fuck it.
          I enjoyed our talk on six string bass on Hip better
          Cheers..

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            #35
            It’s going to happen it’s Bible prophecy

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              #36
              Originally posted by Amerijuanican View Post

              dragging me on the floor? lmao...!

              had no intention of having that effect on you, to wanna do that.
              I think we already discussed this before, and as I mentioned on a post to someone else, I credited you for making me aware of this phenomenon, since you presented some discussion earlier, which I agreed with.

              Yes, it was wrong. I wasn't a fan of it when it happened.
              And, I'm all for cleaning up our mess.
              I just don't feel right letting "china Joe and crack- add son" sell us out to the Totalitarian wannabe empire.
              But fuck it, it's gonna fuckin' happen, so I guess we'll watch the dance and t.i.u.t.a....
              Getting tired of talking politics here, or anywhere else. It's not our world anymore, so fuck it.
              I enjoyed our talk on six string bass on Hip better
              Cheers..
              I didn't say on the floor (implying a violent act such as "I cleaned the floor with that motherfucker"). I said on to the floor a debate style throw down the gauntlet as in "Let's take this to the floor".

              As for the "China Joe and Crack Addict son totalitarian wannabe bullshit". Trump has been spewing wannabe totalitarian bullshit for the last 5 years and Don Jr is a cokehead himself quit projecting. Let's look at Trumps quite open calls to totalitarianism:



              This is what a third world dictator sounds like. Here he sounds like he's a real supporter of the first amendment:

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=At7n8LMn94A

              Then there's this:



              The US has bombed other countries for that type of bullshit. That type of record sounds like any type of third world dictator.

              This is all well documented shit. No skuttlebutt Faux News narrative, not New York Post shitty tabloid journalism and pictures from a Steve Bannon run Chinese website propaganda perspective. The digital paper trail exists. Hunter Biden's laptop was a bright shiny object throwing meat to Trump supporters that's all but forgotten within a month. I kinda saw that coming as the right seems to have the attention span and memory of a goldfish.

              To me logic, reason, and common sense are sacred. Pretzel logic trying to fill in gaps to fit a hypothesis is a farce and the epitome of absurdism.

              Occam's Razor:
              a scientific and philosophical rule that entities should not be multiplied unnecessarily which is interpreted as requiring that the simplest of competing theories be preferred to the more complex or that explanations of unknown phenomena be sought first in terms of known quantities.

              The more holes in the data set and the more complex the thought process to fill in the holes the less likely it is. Basic engineering, the more components needed to make a mechanism or structure work the more likely it is to fail. Humans are the least reliable component.

              If you compare Joe Biden and Kamala Harris to Ronald Reagan they are far more conservative. The US has veered so far to the right that Democrats look like old school Republicans and Republicans are starting to look like fascists. Trust me I'm no Reagan fan by any means.

              Quick comparison:

              "Tear down the wall," Ronald Reagan.

              "Build the wall," Donald Trump.

              It's all right there in front of you.

              Look at the pictures of Isis posing with their guns and driving pickup trucks with their flags driving down the streets in Afgahanistan, then look at the pictures of Trump supporters posing with their guns and driving their pickup trucks and flags through the streets in the US. The basic concept is the same to try to inspire fear in the opposition. "When Fascism comes to the United States it will be in the form of a cross wrapped in a flag".

              Before you try and cough up bullshit about ANTIFA and Black Lives Matter as opposed to Trump who has encouraged his supporters to act like this. ANTIFA doesn't even really support Biden because he is too right wing. If you look at the rest of the world and suggest that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris to someone from Slovenia that they are radical leftists you will be laughed at. If you say the same thing to someone from China who escaped from a radical left wing government they will laugh at you too.

              A big part of the problem is that North America is so isolationist that we really have no compass. We quickly forget recent the history of the last century. Fox News and OAN are the American equivalent of Sputnik News and Russia Today, propaganda disguised as news pushing an agenda. Up until the current administration CNN just towed the line of whatever administration was in power.

              I don't really consider myself an extremist. I consider myself a rationalist with a very low tolerance for bullshit.

              C/S,
              Rev J
              Rev J
              Willie Fuckin' Wonka
              Last edited by Rev J; 11-20-2020, 08:30 AM.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by SpaceMan View Post
                  found a video too in case you dont believe the graphic above
                  Oh Spaceman, listen to what she says.. or rather, doesn't say.
                  She specifically did not support free health care for all and couched her words in "access to health care".
                  That means the ACA framework that keeps traditional insurance in the mix.

                  Just like the chart that shows her supporting "government health care", which also shows Biden in the same column.
                  But he's also vehemently opposed to universal health care and insists on keeping for-profit insurance at the helm.

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                    #39
                    It's kind of weird how many people basically say you're evil if you support people having access to healthcare.

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                      #40
                      It's not that people are "evil" for supporting access, it's that access doesn't mean people are covered.

                      It's like having access to private country clubs.
                      You totally have access... IF you pay the $100,000 membership fee.

                      Same thing with health care.
                      Just because it's available, that doesn't mean people can get it.

                      And with Kamala, she signed Bernie's bill for universal health care.
                      Then during that one debate, she raised her hand to say she supports it.
                      But she walked that back the next day and has totally deferred to supporting for-profit insurance instead of for-people care.
                      So people have a beef with her for turning her back on providing care in favor of keeping corporate profits in charge.

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                        #41
                        Mexicans might not vote Democrat though. Most of them are so hardcore Catholic and against abortion, contraception, and have such high fertility rates and disapprove of divorce and gay marriage that they are Fascist in their morality if you look at Fascist morality in Italy.

                        The Mexican Fascist party was founded by conservative Catholics and modeled after Mussolini's regime.

                        Our Lady of Guadalupe they unite under and tattoo her image on their backs and put images of her everywhere as their omnipresent pro-life Il Duce, Indian Mother of the universe, making them proud of their ethnicity, nationalistic, and their loyalty is to her above all leaders.

                        Mexicans often stand before abortion clinics with her image praying for an end to abortion.

                        They have no loyalty to the agenda of the Democratic party as it goes against everything Hispanics as a general rule cherish. They are very much opposed to secularism as well and refer to Our lady of Guadalupe as "Empress of America".

                        As soon as the Hispanics with high fertility rates outbreed other Americans, they would all resort to Catholic nationalism and vote for Clerical Fascism in America and prayer in schools, ban on abortion, loyalty to the Papacy , traditional marriage, and Marian devotion to the Indian Mother of the universe who converted the Aztecs and united all Indians of central and South America.

                        The more Hispanics we have in America, the more Fascist we become , in every way but name.

                        Hispanics are the most extreme Christian nationalists per capita in the 21st century of any ethnicity I know of.

                        Protestants who hate Marian devotion have had to resort to letting statues of Mary into their Churches because they lose their Hispanic converts if they don't.


                        I actually laugh at what will become of America when they become the majority. The Democratic party will discover it has promoted amnesty to a group more opposed to secularism and abortion and gay marriage and liberalism than any.

                        The other group pretending to be a friend of the Democratic party is Islam. Islam is more opposed to secularism, Democracy, women's rights, gay rights, abortion, and for Fascist Theocracy above every form of government, that the Democratic party will be destroyed by it's allies who have no allegiance to everything the party cherishes.

                        That said, I don't support Islamic Fascism, but it is a form of Fascism resembling Fascist Israel in the Old Testament.

                        Fascism is going to triumph , and Democrats are bringing Theocracy to America by inviting the most fanatic religious extremists with highest fertility rates into the country as their "Allies".

                        The destabilizing of the nation shall bring about a need for a Mussolini, Franco, or Augusto Pinochet, religious Messiah of a leader who unites the people and uses the police and military force to make short work of crime, end division, outlaw media that doesn't support the regime, and create a one-party state Theocracy that the military and police keep in power, crushing all political opponents.

                        This will in the end create economic miracles , strength, and jobs, all of which Fascism accomplished under Franco, Mussolini, Hirohito, and Hitler.

                        The problem with Fascism is it can mobilize the people to exalt their nation above others and lead to the need for expansion and Imperialism.

                        If Fascists would have remained respectful of the Sovereignty of other countries, Hitler's Germany would have remained strong and Hitler died a Hero. If Mussolini remained neutral in WW2, he would have died a hero.


                        Franco stayed in power for the rest of his life because he didn't start wars of aggression. Japan would have remained the 2nd greatest economy on earth, if not becoming the 1st, because in 1989 , when Hirohito died, he brought that island archipelago to have a greater economy than UK, Germany, China, and the Soviet Union.

                        Had Japan remained Fascist, they would have greater unity and not the fertility crisis. The leftists in Japan demand the abolishing of the Imperial dynasty and the destruction of Shinto and patriotism, even to the point of setting fire to Shinto shrines. Their promotion of pornography, abortion, hedonism, and selfishness has left Japan declining to the point it will go extinct in 1750 years at this rate.

                        My point being, if Fascist countries would not have been aggressive, Fascism would have proven to be the best thing for unity, economy, and fighting crime. Germany and Japan would likely have the two greatest economies in the world.

                        America will either go Communist or Fascist because division will bring about the need for one-party state and an intolerant militant regime which crushes all political opposition and crime.

                        Communists prey upon chaos to call for a need to despise tradition, be ashamed of the nation's history, blame Religion and conservatives and tradition for the chaos, pose as the Robin hood who steals from the rich and gives to the poor, then enforces secularism.

                        Fascism stirs up patriotism, puts more money in pockets, gives people incentive to work harder and make more money, defends religion, defends tradition, and promotes covenant between State and the people, where the state is a living entity who rewards your devotion and sacrifice for her.

                        Democracy cannot sustain itself because it is a house divided. It eventually plunges into chaos as the media badmouths the leader, the opposing parties chronically command the people to do the opposite of what another party declares, and the division weakens and weakens society.

                        No one knows who to listen to, eventually leading to mob rule selecting a single party state that crushes opposition, either as a Communist or Fascist Dictatorship.


                        It could result in absolute monarchy that is not Theocracy or Communist, but I don't know how that wouldn't qualify a new form of Communism, if it be a secular Monarch, and if it be a religious Monarch like even the Shamanistic tribes of old, they were all nationalistic and qualify as Fascist. Name one ancient civilization or indigenous tribe that wasn't a Theocracy?

                        So, USA will more than likely become a Fascist state in the 21st century.

                        Or like Russia, America will do an experiment with Communism , recognize Communism doesn't work, and become a Fascist Nation like we see happened to Russia.

                        Democracy didn't survive in Europe. The EU only calls itself a Democracy. They give out Charlemagne prizes, have a Charlemagne page, and named their Capitol building "Charlemagne building" with a single currency in an attempt to resurrect Charlemagne's Holy Roman Empire.

                        It is a German Empire like the Holy Roman Empire where you submit to Germany. They are waiting for a Charlemagne and call him the Father of Europe. They are becoming more right wing, more nationalistic, and Fascist items, relics, symbols, and propaganda once considered illegal, now being sold with Mussolini action figures even sold at Wall Mart, and Mussolini on wine bottles.

                        Charlemagne prize even has the Holy Roman Empire banner attached to it:


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                        ​​​​​​Islamic immigration into Europe is causing the Pendulum to swing and a Fascist revival. Mussolini and Hitler actually won that war. Their goal was the destruction of the Soviet Union and the creation of an antibolshivek block, united States of Europe, Reich (Holy Roman Empire).

                        Now, they are watching America become Fascist to the point entire books have been written about America being a Fascist nation.

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                        #42
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                          #43
                          Originally posted by Undies View Post
                          It's kind of weird how many people basically say you're evil if you support people having access to healthcare.
                          The same people say that universal healthcare could never work. Never mind that it's been working well for years in a lot of countries. Those countries apparently don't count, because they're not America, the only "real" country on the planet. It's like, in their heads, everything outside our borders must be some kind of chaotic wilderness, because they haven't been there and don't understand it. It's different, so it must be evil.

                          I can't think about that mindset without getting angry.

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                            #44
                            I know Canada has had gov't funded healthcare for a long time.
                            When my grandparents retired, they stayed in Florida in the winter months.
                            There were many Canadians there as well.
                            They stayed here just long enough every year, so they could have better healthcare.
                            Americans complain that lines are long at the license branch, Canadians said that's what it's like waiting in line for healthcare.
                            This was in the late 1970s.
                            Americans aren't fools. We like our Freedom. It's what our country was founded on. We've felt good about it for over 244 years.

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                            • Din Djarin
                              Din Djarin
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                              As long as you guys believe you have it, and can be scared into it becoming lesser, the belief can be used against you.

                            #45
                            Quote from Ill Duce- "Mexicans might not vote Democrat though. Most of them are so hardcore Catholic and against abortion, contraception, and have such high fertility rates and disapprove of divorce and gay marriage that they are Fascist in their morality if you look at Fascist morality in Italy".

                            I've known quite a few Mexicans over the years. Most of them are damn good people. I miss them, as back then (1996-2002) many lived in my area and I got along with them better than some Americans! Their women are awesome... no toxic femininity!

                            Many left after the 2008 economic problems ensued.
                            I've seen many in comments after political posts who have been here a while, they don't lean to the Left for the most part.

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                            • Dr. Doom
                              Dr. Doom
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                              Not really commenting on Fascism stuff, not my cup of Java.

                            • ill Duce
                              ill Duce
                              Mamma Mia!
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                              @Din Djarin
                              What basis do you have for saying that. Can you give me a summary of what the Doctrine of Fascism declares fascism to be in roughly two to three paragraphs.

                              To institute the outlawing of abortion, pornography, gay marriage, and a Theocracy where prayer is in public schools would require what everyone would call "Fascist Dictatorship".

                            • neonspectraltoast
                              neonspectraltoast
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                              You deal in pornography, Matt.
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