Has rapping has been around a lot longer than we think?

[Zman]

Check out the 194o's style of rapping...

[lode]

This came up for me earlier on reddit.

The Jubilaries, Noah.

[mallyboppa]

This is real Rap song !

I was born working and I worked my way up by hard work.
I ain't never go nowhere yet but I got there by hard work:
Work of the hardest kind.
I been down and I been out
And I've been busted, disgusted and couldn't be trusted.
I worked my way up and I worked my way down.

[Vanilla Gorilla]

Gonna sound like an old fart, but none too impressed with rap the last 20 years

Back in my day....



This was the shit, this is when rap was at its apex:

[Audiogen]

There is definitely a template there in the OP but I think Rap is such a cultural thing that I wouldn't consider it Real Rap until there were DJ's and MC's.

[SpaceMan]

[Irminsul]

You see the kids, they listen to rap music.

With the hippin and the hoppin and the bippin and the boppen.

[OldSoul]

I do see the resemblance to rap, but it also strikes me as story-telling in a song. Like mally I would say that there are lots of other songs with a similar sound. I'm also thinking of old folk-type songs.

Maybe audiogen is right - it should only be considered rap once you introduce MC's and DJ's specifically.

[lode]

[JVP]

Check out the 194o's style of rapping...

I quite enjoy this. Thanks for sharing.

[Undies]

hard to answer this. how long do we think rapping has been around?

[Irminsul]

Well a couple thousand years ago we just called them poets. ??

[mallyboppa]

I do see the resemblance to rap, but it also strikes me as story-telling in a song. Like mally I would say that there are lots of other songs with a similar sound. I'm also thinking of old folk-type songs.

Maybe audiogen is right - it should only be considered rap once you introduce MC's and DJ's specifically.

That would be "Dub " Then !

[OldSoul]

I had never heard of this guy but I dig it! The ending of the song does sound very "dub"-like, but overall the song is not entirely dub. I'm going to go listen to some of his other songs.

[mallyboppa]

Try Street 66 or Inglan is a bitch

[Zman]

[Din Djarin]

That would be "Dub " Then !

If this is rap a lot of stuff in roots reggae is rap. It has its own term though. Well, there are several. You also have 'toasting'. I googled a definition:

Toasting is defined as a style of lyrical chanting which — in Dancehall music and reggae — involves a deejay talking over a riddim ("rhythm")

Lyrical chanting over dub or dub versions is its own thing apparently:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dub_poetry