I personally think that today's music really sux. Even the music of the 1990's was much better ... not to mention the 70's and 80's. If you agree with me what do you think is wrong with the music of today & if you disagree what is good about today's music as opposed to earlier decades?
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I think the music industry today sucks but in terms of the music in general, there are aspects of which are worse and aspects of it which are better. When I say the music industry sucks, what I mean is that they practically only promote ear candy type music, making it difficult to discover more talented and interesting music.
In terms of the music, I prefer the way older music, particular in Rock and Metal had more jamming in it that still felt cohesive with the overall song. The jamming or instrumental passages usually had a sense of feel that went into it as where today, a lot of the proficient musicianship is more calculated and less emotive.
I prefer the production in the music today. All instruments are audible as where in older music, often the bass or drums would get lost in the mix or sound really faint.
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I'm curious as to the production of all these tortured rock songs. There are so many of them now, lyrics about pain and suffering. And new ones just keep coming out.
I suspect they're just being manufactured like boy bands. It's probably Nirvana's fault, everyone trying to sound deep by writing about how tortured they are.
I listen, because I find it amusing, but I think that you'd be hard-pressed to find musicians who don't want to be successful, the problem being, look what they have to emulate.
Obviously, at some point, it's going to implode of its own absurdity. Future generations are going to look back on modern music and laugh, do parodies. It's a joke.
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Originally posted by Dax View PostI personally think that today's music really sux. Even the music of the 1990's was much better ... not to mention the 70's and 80's. If you agree with me what do you think is wrong with the music of today & if you disagree what is good about today's music as opposed to earlier decades?
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There are bands and genres I don't like but I cannot imagine there ever being a point where I don't like entire decades of music.
I suppose there is a little extra magic with the music you grow up on because you might have felt more a part of something and likely had more time to appreciate the music, but so far I find I can kind of channel that vicariously with some of the newer music.
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I think, especially rock music, but most other genres too.. have become very derivative. the rock bands of the 70s listened to all kinds of different music.. the rock bands today give me the impression they have exclusively listened to rock music. It's "not cool" to listen to classical, jazz, random african drumming.. etc..
The chord progressions of predictable. The lyrics are nothing special, at best.
Pop music sounds like it's being written by a computer program that has been designed to produce the catchiest shit that it can. It seems like most people will buy a song once it's permanently stuck in their brain after three listens. Pop music in the 60s was genuinely brilliant music. It amazes me to see footage of The Small Faces being screamed at so loud they can't be heard. And now teenage girls scream at ..I was going to say Bieber or 1D but BTS is the newest one, isn't it.. with the same intensity. But the music is SO far beneath the standard it was back then.
People talk about Ed Sheeran like he's a genius. I totally get what is likeable and listenable about his music.. but he is just nowhere near the level of genius.. I feel like the bar has been lowered, and people think things are objectively better than they are. I genuinely like some "bad" music. Like, I enjoy the sound of it.. or the vibe.. whatever. Taylor Swift. But just because I enjoy it, it doesn't make it "good".
I have no doubt that there are plenty of brilliant musicians alive today... but they are not getting recognition because capitalism creates an industry that chooses new music based on what will sell for certain and make lots of money.
Capitalism is anti-art. I believe artists should be able to make money from their work, in order to keep creating art full time.. but when the money being made is meant to pay executives and shareholders and a bunch of other leeches.. it destroys the ability to create art. or at least compromises it.
I'd like to hear a hell of a lot more lyrics that have something important or inspiring to say. Not break ups, relationships, what they did today. I feel like Western culture in general is pretty stagnant and self-indulgent. I don't want to hear another "lock down song" about staying inside all the time and how that felt to the writer. I want to hear what people think we should do about the world. I want more art that focuses on the future, and how we should shape it, instead of telling everyone around us about the present, which we're all experiencing anyway.
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Originally posted by Jessica View PostI think, especially rock music, but most other genres too.. have become very derivative. the rock bands of the 70s listened to all kinds of different music.. the rock bands today give me the impression they have exclusively listened to rock music. It's "not cool" to listen to classical, jazz, random african drumming.. etc..
The chord progressions of predictable. The lyrics are nothing special, at best.
Pop music sounds like it's being written by a computer program that has been designed to produce the catchiest shit that it can. It seems like most people will buy a song once it's permanently stuck in their brain after three listens. Pop music in the 60s was genuinely brilliant music. It amazes me to see footage of The Small Faces being screamed at so loud they can't be heard. And now teenage girls scream at ..I was going to say Bieber or 1D but BTS is the newest one, isn't it.. with the same intensity. But the music is SO far beneath the standard it was back then.
People talk about Ed Sheeran like he's a genius. I totally get what is likeable and listenable about his music.. but he is just nowhere near the level of genius.. I feel like the bar has been lowered, and people think things are objectively better than they are. I genuinely like some "bad" music. Like, I enjoy the sound of it.. or the vibe.. whatever. Taylor Swift. But just because I enjoy it, it doesn't make it "good".
I have no doubt that there are plenty of brilliant musicians alive today... but they are not getting recognition because capitalism creates an industry that chooses new music based on what will sell for certain and make lots of money.
Capitalism is anti-art. I believe artists should be able to make money from their work, in order to keep creating art full time.. but when the money being made is meant to pay executives and shareholders and a bunch of other leeches.. it destroys the ability to create art. or at least compromises it.
I'd like to hear a hell of a lot more lyrics that have something important or inspiring to say. Not break ups, relationships, what they did today. I feel like Western culture in general is pretty stagnant and self-indulgent. I don't want to hear another "lock down song" about staying inside all the time and how that felt to the writer. I want to hear what people think we should do about the world. I want more art that focuses on the future, and how we should shape it, instead of telling everyone around us about the present, which we're all experiencing anyway.
I agree with most your post, although I don't know about the part I bolded. The Music industry seemed to start really going downhill when we all adopted a collectivist mentality about music on the internet and that "sharing isn't stealing". It's easier than ever for bands to DIY (Do it Yourself) with professional grade Digital Workstations being inexpensive, there's just no motivation for the average consumer to purchase albums anymore.Last edited by Audiogen; 03-18-2021, 01:09 PM.
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I also am at odds with the statement capitalism is anti-art. It can be, certainly. But if we look at the last couple of decades (lets start post WW2) you can't really say art has flourished DESPITE capitalism. Certainly not music of all kinds. It was in fact stimulated by it.
About the statement in the OP: I have reacted to such claims in depth over the years in online discussions, but to be honest I have never had a worse picture of the music scene in general. So I can't say wether it seems to suck or not. I know I take notice of a minority, and there I am still often pleasantly suprised.
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when recording contracts and financial obligations get mixed up with creating art, art often becomes inauthentic. maybe i stated this in a black and white way, when there are exceptions and nuances, but i stand by it.
The best music over the past sixty years has come from scenes and movements that had some kind of purpose of expression, authenticity, and when the industry adopts it, and markets it, it kills it. Grunge comes to mind as being the last time this happened.
Incidentally, I buy all my music, on principle. It's irrelevant most of the time, because they're dead. But yes I will always financially support artists who I would like to keep making art.
This discussion is very interesting to me though, especially the people who disagree, because it is going to be the major theme of my third book. I will most likely take the words of the people who disagree and use them.. because I obviously can't come up with an opinion I don't understand : )
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Taste is subjective but really: grunge was not the best music or the most authentic artistic musical expression that got killed when milked in the last 60 years. It had nothing more to offer, that's why it died an earlier death than most other subgenres.
And even if its true that contracts and obligations influences a band or artists music to the point it becomes inauthentic (and I think that is true at times), that still doesn't mean its true for every band or artist signed to a record lable that has monetary gain as their prime motive: just as much musical art was stimulated and became big directly because of such capitalsim. So yes, I for one am primarily at odds with the black and white way it was stated.
We might not even have heard of most grunge if it wasn't picked up by the industry, like MTV.
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