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    Boomer Deception: Pleasantville (documentary)

    This short documentary points out a great time in western history that the boomers lived through in their youth that later generations never got to experience; a time of low divorce rates, affordable schools, strong families, home cooked meals, trusting communities, lower cost of living, and so much more that was lost and destroyed after the counterculture movements the Boomers sought to destroy. And how the movie Pleasantville was made to vilify this lost culture to propagate the minds of Generations X, Y, and Z forever.




    #2
    "Mad utopia" with an emphasis on "mad."

    I watched it a bit...sounds like a twenty-something whose deepest analysis of the Era was reruns of Leave It To Beaver.

    Everything was never okay and everyone was never happy.

    Shit happens, like the Holocaust, and we never quantify its impact on the collective psyche. That among infinite variables that can't be condensed into the sparkling chrome of the soda fountain.

    Conformity was never its own reward. Though the innocence was real, and modern perversion a pretentious contrivance to a great extent.

    You had to be there, methinks, and whatever you say, we're here now. But yes, there was a time when science wasn't a philosophical means to its own ends. That's where we've gone wrong.

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      #3
      Based on what is depicted in the analysis (documentary) video, Pleasantville can also be viewed as a metaphor for Plato's Allegory of the Cave. Viewed from that perspective, the people in color are people who have gained knowledge of a broader reality beyond the imprisonment of the cave and have been touched by the Sun. I think this take on the movie explains the books being filled and prevalence of art.

      Plato thought prisoners of the cave who are freed would initially be blinded by fire. (Represented by the woman masturbating and then the tree catching fire) and that the impulse for those who made it out of the cave would initially be to return to the cave because of the pain and confusion of the light (Tobey Mcguire's character wanting to stay in Black and White Pleasantville). Plato reasoned that if people got acclimated to the broader reality outside of the cave and sought to return to the cave in an attempt to free others, they would be met with hostility, which seems to run parallel with the social commentary in the movie.

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        #4
        Human history is so anal.

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          #5
          Imagine going to dinner with someone and they brought this up.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Audiogen View Post
            Based on what is depicted in the analysis (documentary) video, Pleasantville can also be viewed as a metaphor for Plato's Allegory of the Cave. Viewed from that perspective, the people in color are people who have gained knowledge of a broader reality beyond the imprisonment of the cave and have been touched by the Sun. I think this take on the movie explains the books being filled and prevalence of art.

            Plato thought prisoners of the cave who are freed would initially be blinded by fire. (Represented by the woman masturbating and then the tree catching fire) and that the impulse for those who made it out of the cave would initially be to return to the cave because of the pain and confusion of the light (Tobey Mcguire's character wanting to stay in Black and White Pleasantville). Plato reasoned that if people got acclimated to the broader reality outside of the cave and sought to return to the cave in an attempt to free others, they would be met with hostility, which seems to run parallel with the social commentary in the movie.
            Indeed it's another way to look at it. Film makers are normally very crafty to integrate a lot of symbolism and poetic elements into movies. And I agree the Cave Allegory is an accurate analogy for it. But how does tradition, a happy family, and marriage equate to being imprisoned in the Cave? And adultery, sexual promiscuity, and escaping paradise is being touched by the sun?

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              #7
              Originally posted by 6-eyed View Post

              Indeed it's another way to look at it. Film makers are normally very crafty to integrate a lot of symbolism and poetic elements into movies. And I agree the Cave Allegory is an accurate analogy for it. But how does tradition, a happy family, and marriage equate to being imprisoned in the Cave? And adultery, sexual promiscuity, and escaping paradise is being touched by the sun?
              With the Cave allegory, the prisoners lived in the cave their whole lives and are escaping confinement in the cave to go above ground and the Sun shining down. So the concept of paradise, particularly a paradise lost is irrelevant. The people in the cave may be content because it's all they know.


              Based on the questions you asked, I'm not sure how you arrived at the conclusion the movie is villifying traditional values?

              I would have to see the movie to know how they approach the values of each era. My hunch is that either it's not all black and white, pun intended, in claiming one era better than the other or there are other scenes not present in the analysis video, which depict a darker side to Black and White Pleasantville.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Audiogen View Post

                With the Cave allegory, the prisoners lived in the cave their whole lives and are escaping confinement in the cave to go above ground and the Sun shining down. So the concept of paradise, particularly a paradise lost is irrelevant. The people in the cave may be content because it's all they know.


                Based on the questions you asked, I'm not sure how you arrived at the conclusion the movie is villifying traditional values?

                I would have to see the movie to know how they approach the values of each era. My hunch is that either it's not all black and white, pun intended, in claiming one era better than the other or there are other scenes not present in the analysis video, which depict a darker side to Black and White Pleasantville.
                I saw Pleasantville around the time it was released. It was kind of a funny movie especially the scenes on the basketball court.

                The documentary presents how the movie casts a negative light over the nuclear family, father figures, gender roles, and marriage. And the movie depicts the time period as an exaggerated, over-the-top world where people are happy on the outside, but totally dead and lifeless on the inside. It also promotes having affairs and casual sex. Adultery is the number one marriage destroyer. It's no surprise that after the counterculture movement of the 60s and the sexual revolution, the divorce rates shot through the roof.



                I'm not saying the '40s and '50s were a perfect time. There were still plenty of problems that needed fixing such as segregation laws (many of which were already on the way out by 1957 in most of the country).

                Children who grow up in households where the parents stay married have a better advantage over children of separated parents. So yes, families were stronger and society was much happier in the 40s and 50s. I would compare that 20 year period as a renaissance. A renaissance that occurred right after escaping from the great depression and a world war; where everything was rationed, poverty was more abundant, and goods and services were limited. To an era of economic recovery and cheap resources.

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                • Vanilla Gorilla
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                  You could also say from that graph that Reagan and Thatcher made the divorce rate go down again

                • Amerijuanican
                  Amerijuanican commented
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                  Reagan and Thatcher were a good combo for US and UK

                #9
                Originally posted by 6-eyed View Post

                It also promotes having affairs and casual sex. Adultery is the number one marriage destroyer. It's no surprise that after the counterculture movement of the 60s and the sexual revolution, the divorce rates shot through the roof.
                Because the pill was invented and women could also have casual sex. Because women started having affairs.
                Yes, kids were much happier when it was only the men were going out doing that, knowing his wife can't leave him because he earns all the money and there are five kids ;-)


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                  #10
                  I agree it was a sucky situation, not just for the moms but the kids too.

                  But there must have been women screwing around as well, takes two to tango. Unless rampant homosexuality was here sooner than we thought lols

                  Or else every community had one sore woman who had trouble walking from all of the action

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                    #11
                    Of course, I was purposely being reductive to make a point.

                    But I guess in general screwing around was just a much bigger risk for women because of pregnancy. Not to mention if you're already a housewife with kids how are you going to carry out an affair. And your husband owns your house and finances. He can go off to work and be a free man, she is at home trapped by the marriage.

                    Ftr I don't think hookup culture is healthy and don't condone either gender having affairs, but 6-eyed's view of before and after the sexual revolution is also reductive.



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                      #12
                      Originally posted by Jessica View Post
                      Of course, I was purposely being reductive to make a point.

                      But I guess in general screwing around was just a much bigger risk for women because of pregnancy. Not to mention if you're already a housewife with kids how are you going to carry out an affair.
                      That’s easy. House wives have always had social lives and know plenty of other people. They aren’t house prisoners the way the media portrays.

                      Not to mention prostitution has been around long before the pill was invented.

                      And your husband owns your house and finances. He can go off to work and be a free man, she is at home trapped by the marriage.
                      Ever see the pornos where the house wife bangs the plumber or mailman? This plot can apply in real life.

                      Ftr I don't think hookup culture is healthy and don't condone either gender having affairs, but 6-eyed's view of before and after the sexual revolution is also reductive.
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                      For the record, I am not of the belief that sex must always be held off until marriage. Almost all my relationships I ever had started after sex on the 1st or 2nd date. It’s ok to have sex early on to see if the two of you are sexually compatible.


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                        #13
                        I think television probably played a role in moral/social decay. Color television took off during the mid-1960's according to wiki.

                        This is speculation but it seems to me like having info broadcast into the home on a daily basis basically telling people they need to buy products to improve their lives or depicting glamorous people living lavish lifestyles probably made people discontent and unsatisfied, unconsciously if not consciously.

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                        • Jessica
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                          yes good point. I agree with that.

                        #14
                        I feel like the idea of women being excited to fuck random electricians and mailmen is mostly a male invention. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it just doesn't strike me as being in tune with how women are turned on, in general. It's more like how men are.

                        And you ignored the whole aspect of pregnancy risk pre 60s. If she gets pregnant by another man and her husband divorces her, she loses all her security. I actually went to read a bit earlier on the history of divorce laws, because of this conversation, and it's only very recently they weren't all way in the favour of the husband. Not to mention social stigma being damaging for a woman but less so for a man.



                        I think there are both privileges and problems that come with both genders in modern times, but it wasn't that long ago that women had significantly less autonomy and the downfall of society you complain about is often just the downfall of patriarchal control. The rise in divorces correlates with women gaining more sexual freedom, so maybe they weren't happy. It means the future has to be something new, not something we already tried that you might think was better but half the population was oppressed.


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                          #15
                          Financial freedom is such a big aspect of it as well. Women weren't even allowed to have credit cards in their own name until the mid 70s in the US. Right around the same time it became more of the norm for women to pursue their own careers. It's pretty impossible to file for divorce if you have nowhere to go and no way to support yourself.

                          The other day my sister told me a story about how she was in a drive thru waiting for her food and this car stopped in the parking lot and an old man pushed an old woman out of the car (she said they looked like they were both in their late 70s, early 80s) and drove off and left her sprawled out on the pavement crying.

                          Dude has probably been abusing her for the last 60 years, so personally I don't think rising divorce rates are necessarily a bad thing. But i've never really had a conventional view of marriage anyways. Yes, the ideal situation is that everyone marries out of love and stays with the person they marry and both parties possess the interpersonal skills to keep the spark alive, grow in their marriage, and maintain a healthy marriage until death do us part.

                          But it doesn't always happen like that and I think divorce is better than a lifetime of unhappiness. No one should be chained to another person just for the sake of fulfilling some half baked idea of morality.
                          Last edited by Meliai; 11-15-2021, 03:26 PM.

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